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Second this. I think it would take a dedicated 2 year bulk and then slow cut to do this natty when you could get the same results with a 12-16 week cycle and loose body fat at the same time
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YEAR 3: THE IRONWILL PROJECT: MONEY, MUSCLES, MINDSET - FROM NOTHING TO SOMETHING, MY RELENTLESS JOURNEY
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Solid day of hustle. Lotta work, lotta fun.
Up early, at my first client call at 830, in Williamsburg. One of my agency owner clients. This was a powerful deep dive session, done on his rooftop overlooking the NYC skyline.
Next, ran over to do a hour long consult, with a founder I find interesting. I went, purely to give value, and learn more about him. He ended up asking to join IronWill - I didn't pitch him, but this is a biz win. As we hung out in his place, his housemate, who is an actor on the HBO show The Gilded Age, was rehearsing for their next episode.
That was a bit of a flex ;-)
Next, hung out with my brother Joe of DatingUnchained:
Joe is one of the world's best, if not the best, dating photographer.
www.datingunchained.com
Very kindly, Joe took some photos of me. I didn't ask, but my friend of many years helped me out, which is why I am gonna plug him in this post right here. Thanks, Joe!
After all that, it was time to get to work on myself.
I had a Dante coaching session, my 3rd this month, and got some solid work done.
The first set I did, was this gorgeous Iranian girl, who stopped, loved the validation of course, and then exchanged a fake number with me. The learning here, was the sets need WAY more man to woman energy, and to be WAY more polarising. Let's keep it real: I'd rather they split, than waste my time with fake numbers. Be masculine and a leader, or get cucked.
Here, the issue is, my sets just don't have vibe, I'm not using the techniques that would allow me to generate real emotion.
The lower your SMV, the less you can "be yourself" and just be social and calibrated.
And the more you have to really slap them with techniques and tricks, and make them feel.
Otherwise, it's just like what has happened the past 2 weeks - endless fake numbers.
The next, was a really hot chick from Iceland. As above, she absorbed the validation, while not really giving any depth in her answers, and not really being engaged. I did call it out, but she was quite a nice woman and was pleasantly going on with it. Turns out, she was a flight attendant, was in NYC for 3 hrs, and was getting off shortly. She enjoyed the ego boost, exchanged her number, and won't be back most likely.
The next two sets, were blowouts. I battled a little on the first, but she wouldn't engage. I battled firmly and strongly on the other, but her blowout was very strong and harsh - simply way outside my market, I was a "hell no" for her.
Finding a gal who will chat and be in a genuine romantic interaction, is like finding a needle in a haystack. It happened once, miraculously, during the past few weeks of day game.
"Don't have high expectations. Your SMV and base value is too low to do well here. But outside of the US, you will find the occasional miracle. I have to be honest with you, so you don't get your hopes up"
-Dante
FINALLY, some damn honesty in this space.
I would rather be outwardly told the truth, than be misled for years by the swathes of coaches and mentors I had going through this game.
I am glad Dante is honest with me. We know the facts. If I had even a minuscule shred of SMV and physical looks, I'd have seen it in the apps, or in approaches.
There IS still a way to create outcomes if your looks are garbage and you're in the 4/5 range in the eyes of woman. Sheer brass balls and relentlessness.
With enough sheer grinding, you eventually meet a chick who can look past poor looks and SMV, and can listen to what you're communicating, understand you are human too, and can be persuaded to be open to getting to know you. In 200+ dates, I did see one or two, who were open to getting to know me.
I think I may now at the stage The Bastard was at, when he got to the point he was unable to compete on the market anymore. Like that legend, I'm glad for the outcomes I did create the first few years! Getting priced out the market, is ultimately coming for us all. You have to do what you can, with what you've got, before your time is up. Feels like, my year was this year, looking at what sort of quality I got in Mexico & the USA.
And I am sure inner peace will follow.
I hope we as a forum can embrace truth telling & honesty and push back on pieces of shit who straight up lie to Low SMV men in particular.
It IS possible to get outcomes. But it will be 1000 x harder, you'll have to go to great, great lengths, and it's ghosting, flaking, and next to no retention. As well as very low quality more often than not.
...But if you stay in it for long enough, while your product is able to get something, you'll have the possibility of finding a miracle.
The more you read my posts, and actually know the truth of how this works. Plus, it makes it that much harder for you to be misled. Most won't drop their ego, and will keep telling themselves a dream about things working out. Truth is, it takes an incredibly strong person to gut up and accept the realities of the market place and do the work anyway.
We all have a choice with how we spend our life. You can fight back, or just stay in the slow lane and rot.
Back tomorrow.
-MAC
Up early, at my first client call at 830, in Williamsburg. One of my agency owner clients. This was a powerful deep dive session, done on his rooftop overlooking the NYC skyline.
Next, ran over to do a hour long consult, with a founder I find interesting. I went, purely to give value, and learn more about him. He ended up asking to join IronWill - I didn't pitch him, but this is a biz win. As we hung out in his place, his housemate, who is an actor on the HBO show The Gilded Age, was rehearsing for their next episode.
That was a bit of a flex ;-)
Next, hung out with my brother Joe of DatingUnchained:
Joe is one of the world's best, if not the best, dating photographer.
Best Dating Profile Photographer - #1 | Dating Unchained
Professional dating photos by the best dating profile photographer. Tinder photos. Bumble photos. Hinge photos. Impress women, increase matches, & date more.
www.datingunchained.com
Very kindly, Joe took some photos of me. I didn't ask, but my friend of many years helped me out, which is why I am gonna plug him in this post right here. Thanks, Joe!
After all that, it was time to get to work on myself.
I had a Dante coaching session, my 3rd this month, and got some solid work done.
The first set I did, was this gorgeous Iranian girl, who stopped, loved the validation of course, and then exchanged a fake number with me. The learning here, was the sets need WAY more man to woman energy, and to be WAY more polarising. Let's keep it real: I'd rather they split, than waste my time with fake numbers. Be masculine and a leader, or get cucked.
Here, the issue is, my sets just don't have vibe, I'm not using the techniques that would allow me to generate real emotion.
The lower your SMV, the less you can "be yourself" and just be social and calibrated.
And the more you have to really slap them with techniques and tricks, and make them feel.
Otherwise, it's just like what has happened the past 2 weeks - endless fake numbers.
The next, was a really hot chick from Iceland. As above, she absorbed the validation, while not really giving any depth in her answers, and not really being engaged. I did call it out, but she was quite a nice woman and was pleasantly going on with it. Turns out, she was a flight attendant, was in NYC for 3 hrs, and was getting off shortly. She enjoyed the ego boost, exchanged her number, and won't be back most likely.
The next two sets, were blowouts. I battled a little on the first, but she wouldn't engage. I battled firmly and strongly on the other, but her blowout was very strong and harsh - simply way outside my market, I was a "hell no" for her.
Finding a gal who will chat and be in a genuine romantic interaction, is like finding a needle in a haystack. It happened once, miraculously, during the past few weeks of day game.
"Don't have high expectations. Your SMV and base value is too low to do well here. But outside of the US, you will find the occasional miracle. I have to be honest with you, so you don't get your hopes up"
-Dante
FINALLY, some damn honesty in this space.
I would rather be outwardly told the truth, than be misled for years by the swathes of coaches and mentors I had going through this game.
I am glad Dante is honest with me. We know the facts. If I had even a minuscule shred of SMV and physical looks, I'd have seen it in the apps, or in approaches.
There IS still a way to create outcomes if your looks are garbage and you're in the 4/5 range in the eyes of woman. Sheer brass balls and relentlessness.
With enough sheer grinding, you eventually meet a chick who can look past poor looks and SMV, and can listen to what you're communicating, understand you are human too, and can be persuaded to be open to getting to know you. In 200+ dates, I did see one or two, who were open to getting to know me.
I think I may now at the stage The Bastard was at, when he got to the point he was unable to compete on the market anymore. Like that legend, I'm glad for the outcomes I did create the first few years! Getting priced out the market, is ultimately coming for us all. You have to do what you can, with what you've got, before your time is up. Feels like, my year was this year, looking at what sort of quality I got in Mexico & the USA.
And I am sure inner peace will follow.
I hope we as a forum can embrace truth telling & honesty and push back on pieces of shit who straight up lie to Low SMV men in particular.
It IS possible to get outcomes. But it will be 1000 x harder, you'll have to go to great, great lengths, and it's ghosting, flaking, and next to no retention. As well as very low quality more often than not.
...But if you stay in it for long enough, while your product is able to get something, you'll have the possibility of finding a miracle.
The more you read my posts, and actually know the truth of how this works. Plus, it makes it that much harder for you to be misled. Most won't drop their ego, and will keep telling themselves a dream about things working out. Truth is, it takes an incredibly strong person to gut up and accept the realities of the market place and do the work anyway.
We all have a choice with how we spend our life. You can fight back, or just stay in the slow lane and rot.
Back tomorrow.
-MAC
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2021
Fri 13/09/2024
Actions
(1) Business:
-Block 1: Coaching + 3 Client Calls
-Block 2: Biz Dev
-Block 3: Content
-Block 4: Selfless Service
-Others: Project
(2) Body:
-Diet
(3) Mindset:
-Online Hustle
Notes:
Off to do my first client call, at a sauna and cold plunge place.
Meeting with a few guys from my program for lunch after.
Delivering services, working with my guys. It's going to be a focused, business oriented kinda day. No running around in the streets, no rizzing girls on the apps. Well – I'd need some girls to talk to for that one ;-)
….I did actually get 2 matches this week. Hinge. And that was after 2-3,000 profiles liked this week. Why did I get them? The girls are literally 6ft tall, and don't have as large a pool as other chicks.
There are always SOME kind of ways to win. Always.
Me and Carl, are experimenting with some injectables for biohacking. I know that may sound a little much to some of you, but if you're read this log this far, you'll forgive me for the overshares. I'm impressed with what we've tried so far. I felt it. We've got vials of cerebrolysin and NAD+ knocking about, thanks to our physician friend. And I feel like I am getting a bit of a performance edge out of it.
They seem to give a little boost, but I'm not convinced it's anything I can't get from ice baths and saunas. Proof's in the pudding. If my work performance gets better, that'll get my interest. Right now, not super sold.
Time to work then, boys.
-MAC
Actions
(1) Business:
-Block 1: Coaching + 3 Client Calls
-Block 2: Biz Dev
-Block 3: Content
-Block 4: Selfless Service
-Others: Project
(2) Body:
-Diet
(3) Mindset:
-Online Hustle
Notes:
Off to do my first client call, at a sauna and cold plunge place.
Meeting with a few guys from my program for lunch after.
Delivering services, working with my guys. It's going to be a focused, business oriented kinda day. No running around in the streets, no rizzing girls on the apps. Well – I'd need some girls to talk to for that one ;-)
….I did actually get 2 matches this week. Hinge. And that was after 2-3,000 profiles liked this week. Why did I get them? The girls are literally 6ft tall, and don't have as large a pool as other chicks.
There are always SOME kind of ways to win. Always.
Me and Carl, are experimenting with some injectables for biohacking. I know that may sound a little much to some of you, but if you're read this log this far, you'll forgive me for the overshares. I'm impressed with what we've tried so far. I felt it. We've got vials of cerebrolysin and NAD+ knocking about, thanks to our physician friend. And I feel like I am getting a bit of a performance edge out of it.
They seem to give a little boost, but I'm not convinced it's anything I can't get from ice baths and saunas. Proof's in the pudding. If my work performance gets better, that'll get my interest. Right now, not super sold.
Time to work then, boys.
-MAC
Thrice
Member
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2021
Yes, this type of pain and negative validation would make most humans non functional. It's just incredible the way you keep pushing forward
- Joined
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Certainly been there, my friend.
But, I will challenge your thinking on one thing.
We're just not the person you were at the start.
Negative feedback, isn't how I look we look at it, Thrice. Not after being in the game for years. That is not how I've personally learned to think about this, and I actively work on modifying my thinking to be more helpful, and more aligned with reality.
If our thinking is:
-Logical
-Realistic
-Helpful and based on how the world actually works
We tend to do better.
And if nothing else, there's less of the stress that is destabilising to progress.
Stepping back, slowing down, and really getting objective: it's how you do this.
My thoughts:
-Online: The market decides. As a very niche product, there ARE some women who are into me. It is exceptionally rare, but they do exist. Myself and Carl did an experiment this week on our market. I, am a Brown-Brown British-Indian guy, with very ethnic features. Carl, is an Arab, but is white-passing - women think he's Italian. For 3,000 profiles liked on Hinge, I got 2 matches, he got 600. Our profiles are the same quality, I actually built his myself. The only difference? He is not considered Low SMV, and I am. That is how superficial it is online, and now I am not just looking to get lays, why would I care about these apps....?
You do not take this personally. See, I know I am a good person, and my actions prove it. I am here Saturday morning doing my 90mins of selfless service, which is serving you on the forum at this moment, and also serving others in my life. You don't see the many people I've offered free consults and mentoring to here in NYC, purely because I wanted to and liked them. I hold my head high when I walk the streets, because I know I care, and do the right thing. And that is me standing strong to my core values. Every. Single. Day.
Travelling the world (UK Europe, Latin America, USA), has been good, but didn't produce the turnaround I was told it would. The response I can forsee is, "just keep travelling bro". Ignorance. It gets tiring explaining the same thing to these people, again and again. Low SMV does not end due to moving to a different location, it will always stay with you wherever you go. You must make a personal individual commitment to yourself and driving yourself to excellence, because you believe in yourself.
-Approaching, I think this is a positive goal in and of itself, and a very worthy mission. To get progressively better socially, and become a more vibrant and charismatic man, is great. As a leader, I like that, and it adds a tonne to my life - so we're all in here.
None of this, is negative.
I am living proof, through sheer, relentless grinding, you can still get results despite Low SMV.
And I will keep winning in life, and becoming more and more successful, because I will just keep working on my life, my business, my health and body, and my inner world, and I will become the business owner and leader I seek to be!
Life is pretty good. And will keep getting better.
I'm going to approach today, I do have leads from the apps. 2 numbers, which took about 5 k profiles to like, and 2 weeks of hustle. Quality wise, the usual, pretty meh, but I am vibing with them and enjoying the energy. Let's see what happens.
I have a tonne of people to meet today. I will prioritise IronWill clients, but also OGs from other programs I've been on.
And I'll be approaching, seeing my wings, and spending some time with the boys.
THAT is what this is about.
A whole, balanced life, with every going into different things.
Staying in a winning mindset.
-MAC
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- Jan 19, 2021
Deep Gratitude For My Friend Joe, of DatingUnchained
3 things I love about Joe:
(1) His energy and genuine, realness. One of the most authentic dudes I've ever met in my life.
(2) His vision and mindset: An inspiration to me to be honest.
(3) The journey: I love following his story and being able to have a life where I was part of it
Joe has always been a supporter of mine, since when I first started, and has been good to me. He is one of the best in the world at what he does, and he took these amazing photos of me. This is a really kind gesture and one I appreciate a lot. I respect him and his business and understand to get Joe's time as a elite dating photographer, is a real investment. But my friend of many years helped me out and gave me some incredible photos that are going to help me and my business, as well as my profiles. Thank you brother I appreciate you.
I'll post some on the dating photos feedback thread, and also here.
If any stand out, lmk, and I'll get them edited and faceapp'd and give them a go online.
3 things I love about Joe:
(1) His energy and genuine, realness. One of the most authentic dudes I've ever met in my life.
(2) His vision and mindset: An inspiration to me to be honest.
(3) The journey: I love following his story and being able to have a life where I was part of it
Joe has always been a supporter of mine, since when I first started, and has been good to me. He is one of the best in the world at what he does, and he took these amazing photos of me. This is a really kind gesture and one I appreciate a lot. I respect him and his business and understand to get Joe's time as a elite dating photographer, is a real investment. But my friend of many years helped me out and gave me some incredible photos that are going to help me and my business, as well as my profiles. Thank you brother I appreciate you.
I'll post some on the dating photos feedback thread, and also here.
If any stand out, lmk, and I'll get them edited and faceapp'd and give them a go online.
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Today was a big, bad day of networking, being in the community, and pushing oneself.
Connected with some guys from Andys coaching a long time ago. Great, great dudes. Looking forward to spending more time.
And then shadowed some mentoring sessions Dante was doing.
Was quite tired, but feeling good and grounded. Throughout the day, I did 2 approaches. 1 was barely, barely engaged, the other was an extremely hard blowout - she was later joined by her family, so clearly didn't want to chat to me.
It was fun chatting to the boys, and just socialising and being out all day.
Tomorrow, will go connect with more of my people, IronWill former coaching clients. I'm gonna give one a 2hr deep dive session, because he's a legend and I wanna add value to his life.
I'll then do a shrooms session with Carl for inner game.
-MAC
Connected with some guys from Andys coaching a long time ago. Great, great dudes. Looking forward to spending more time.
And then shadowed some mentoring sessions Dante was doing.
Was quite tired, but feeling good and grounded. Throughout the day, I did 2 approaches. 1 was barely, barely engaged, the other was an extremely hard blowout - she was later joined by her family, so clearly didn't want to chat to me.
It was fun chatting to the boys, and just socialising and being out all day.
Tomorrow, will go connect with more of my people, IronWill former coaching clients. I'm gonna give one a 2hr deep dive session, because he's a legend and I wanna add value to his life.
I'll then do a shrooms session with Carl for inner game.
-MAC
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2021
Took 5,000 odd profiles liked on Hinge but now have 4 girls to text. One date is pitched for tomorrow, the shrooms trip is a small dose of 1g, I think I will be fine to go on a date at 8pm.
Terraqua
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- Goal
- Finish medical school
- Age
- 26
- Motto
- Meditate
When I read this I was instantly like "Damn :-D", because it sounds so casual.
Last time I did shrooms (1,25g) almost 6 years ago it was just for shits and giggles but I met God, became permanently sober and quit my job to apply to uni. I want to hear a trip report!
Last time I did shrooms (1,25g) almost 6 years ago it was just for shits and giggles but I met God, became permanently sober and quit my job to apply to uni. I want to hear a trip report!
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You bet!
So, so interesting that your trip gave you that kind of clarity - met God....my man, epic.....
Lets make it transformative and life changing today!
MAC
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2021
Really fun day so far. It's been hustle-mania since I got to NYC, and I've barely had a moment to sit my brown ass down and think.
DOING is one part of the journey. Actions, pushing oneself, getting out of the comfort zone.
And the other part?
BEING.
Just BEING.....
In community. In brotherhood. In friendship.
Many of us, have great personalities, and have built ourselves into people with great energy, vibe, presence and charisma.
It's like, we have this ability to connect with people and be social, that many of us had to learn - and we're using it on the streets, and on dates, but not with each other.
Not to enjoy the men we are, and the friendship and brotherhood we have.
Loved the meetup. It was with one of my clients in IW, who is a leader and a man whose energy and mission I deeply support.
Being in service of others, you expand your own life and view a lot.
Most of the people around me today, do not know what self-improvement is. We talked about travel, culture, our hobbies and pastimes, and our life experiences. I felt connection and community from everyone who attended, and could see why my client values in-person community and connection so much.
Life is about people. It's about connection, being out and social, and BEING.
Much of self-improvement, is us DOING.
A timely reminder, that we need both.
-MAC
DOING is one part of the journey. Actions, pushing oneself, getting out of the comfort zone.
And the other part?
BEING.
Just BEING.....
In community. In brotherhood. In friendship.
Many of us, have great personalities, and have built ourselves into people with great energy, vibe, presence and charisma.
It's like, we have this ability to connect with people and be social, that many of us had to learn - and we're using it on the streets, and on dates, but not with each other.
Not to enjoy the men we are, and the friendship and brotherhood we have.
Loved the meetup. It was with one of my clients in IW, who is a leader and a man whose energy and mission I deeply support.
Being in service of others, you expand your own life and view a lot.
Most of the people around me today, do not know what self-improvement is. We talked about travel, culture, our hobbies and pastimes, and our life experiences. I felt connection and community from everyone who attended, and could see why my client values in-person community and connection so much.
Life is about people. It's about connection, being out and social, and BEING.
Much of self-improvement, is us DOING.
A timely reminder, that we need both.
-MAC
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2021
Been thinking quite a bit about my journey.
Was this all about just overcoming my anxiety, and becoming a leader, being a social person?
Is it even game anymore?
Or is it about truly enjoying humans, and community?
Is there a level of community I am still not actualising?
What if I took the work I do on the forum, to the real world, and build something real, in person, and enduring?
I've done it before, in different projects, and I feel like this is something that is maybe missing in my life.
The happiest I've felt, is just being with people.
Yesterday, just stood talking with various guys. Including a guy I see as an absolute legend - a brown guy in NYC, from India, who we will just call V, who has built a sex and dating life better than 99% of men who ever lived, through working with Dante and working on himself. Banged 20 brown women in one month - in my world, something of a real feat lol.
Shooting the shit with these guys, not even approaching but just chatting and laughing, are times when I am happy. Laughing about the blowouts and lack of matches. It actually felt good.
Same thing today, just being around people and talking, laughing, being human.
These are times when I feel happy.
Because I'm not trying. I'm not working on self-improvement. I'm not chasing any goals. I just get to BE.
I really enjoyed chatting to this super lovely Asian gal today, and enjoyed the conversation a lot. This is a non-game scenario, and I was just pleased to be able to see so many aspects of her humanity, outside of a game context. How warm, personable, and kind, giving, and community-centred she was.
In the game, we're dealing with women in approaches and on dates for the most of our contact with them. We're getting rejections daily, blowouts, and having sets to nowhere. We're getting fake numbers and dealing with all sorts.
We stay with it, and there's this time in the journey we start to mature and just look at it as a skill - it's practice for the big show.
And then we FEEL the social skill and mindset improvements.
Listening to feedback from the seasoned NYC guys, who "made it" by all accounts, the opinion among the cohort is, my main issue is that I need more inner game work.
Which serves me, beautifully.
Because much of my life now is addressing the inner world. Most of what I am infact doing in my business, is going very, very deep with my clients, and myself also.
Most of our highest performance is about shifting our energies and our headspace, so we can operate at the highest level.
I am setting my intention for my shrooms trip today to go deep into my limiting beliefs and finding healing and processing of them.
To wake up to the next evolution of myself.
-MAC
Was this all about just overcoming my anxiety, and becoming a leader, being a social person?
Is it even game anymore?
Or is it about truly enjoying humans, and community?
Is there a level of community I am still not actualising?
What if I took the work I do on the forum, to the real world, and build something real, in person, and enduring?
I've done it before, in different projects, and I feel like this is something that is maybe missing in my life.
The happiest I've felt, is just being with people.
Yesterday, just stood talking with various guys. Including a guy I see as an absolute legend - a brown guy in NYC, from India, who we will just call V, who has built a sex and dating life better than 99% of men who ever lived, through working with Dante and working on himself. Banged 20 brown women in one month - in my world, something of a real feat lol.
Shooting the shit with these guys, not even approaching but just chatting and laughing, are times when I am happy. Laughing about the blowouts and lack of matches. It actually felt good.
Same thing today, just being around people and talking, laughing, being human.
These are times when I feel happy.
Because I'm not trying. I'm not working on self-improvement. I'm not chasing any goals. I just get to BE.
I really enjoyed chatting to this super lovely Asian gal today, and enjoyed the conversation a lot. This is a non-game scenario, and I was just pleased to be able to see so many aspects of her humanity, outside of a game context. How warm, personable, and kind, giving, and community-centred she was.
In the game, we're dealing with women in approaches and on dates for the most of our contact with them. We're getting rejections daily, blowouts, and having sets to nowhere. We're getting fake numbers and dealing with all sorts.
We stay with it, and there's this time in the journey we start to mature and just look at it as a skill - it's practice for the big show.
And then we FEEL the social skill and mindset improvements.
Listening to feedback from the seasoned NYC guys, who "made it" by all accounts, the opinion among the cohort is, my main issue is that I need more inner game work.
Which serves me, beautifully.
Because much of my life now is addressing the inner world. Most of what I am infact doing in my business, is going very, very deep with my clients, and myself also.
Most of our highest performance is about shifting our energies and our headspace, so we can operate at the highest level.
I am setting my intention for my shrooms trip today to go deep into my limiting beliefs and finding healing and processing of them.
To wake up to the next evolution of myself.
-MAC
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2021
Shrooms trip was fucking insane
One of the most powerful experiences of my life
One of the most powerful experiences of my life
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- Jan 19, 2021
Feel a level of inner peace I've not felt in a long time.
The inner work, is helping.
Letting go of some very strongly held limiting beliefs, and had major insights into my relationship with my Dad which was the first destabilising factor in my life
I think a conversation with him is quite long overdue.
This is going to take place this week.
Reflecting on my experience of dating S, and how I did self-sabotage that experience like a champ, wasn't only helpful, but it showed me how much S actually cared. Girls don't talk to their family about you, send them pictures, get advice from spiritual teachers on your compatibility, and make real efforts like she did, if they don't want to be with you. It helped me to process that. Plus, the many things I did to stop it becoming a healthy relationship, were down to me, and the insecurities I've been working through the past 3 years.
I realised, the situation was too complex, but in a year or two, if I was I found myself in the same position, I can see myself being able to make it work.
By all accounts, I am a major example of a former incel, hardcase success story.
I have done it through consistent hard work. And not failing to show up.
I give myself credit for it now. And can see why I get the respect I do in the community and in life.
I have a date tonight, with a girl I consider very pretty, and I'm quite happy about that. I have another one scheduled tomorrow, and there are two other girls who are chatting with me on WhatsApp, keen for a date.
We'll create positive experiences together.
I have spoken to Carl, and our commitment to inner work is so very strong, that he's agree that we're going to extend my stay in NYC, until we have made real, true inner progress. I think another 5 weeks will see us progress a lot.
We're doing inner work sessions, twice a week, which are quite deep dives.
And following a really successful mushrooms session yesterday, we are going to do another one in 4 weeks.
The sticking point for me, which everyone insists on, is inner game & past trauma. Which I do not blame myself for - childhood trauma is not the individuals fault. But it is an opportunity for growth & transcendence.
And to find inner peace, and the ability to form strong, loving, positive romantic relationships.
I am healing & growing.
Because I am doing the work.
It is my experience in life, that sometimes, winning is ugly. It's not neat. It's not tidy. It can infact, suck.
Embracing it. Doing the work. And taking it one day at a time, has produced a very, very interesting and fascinating life for me, that I am quite surprised I get to lead.................
Onwards.
-MAC
The inner work, is helping.
Letting go of some very strongly held limiting beliefs, and had major insights into my relationship with my Dad which was the first destabilising factor in my life
I think a conversation with him is quite long overdue.
This is going to take place this week.
Reflecting on my experience of dating S, and how I did self-sabotage that experience like a champ, wasn't only helpful, but it showed me how much S actually cared. Girls don't talk to their family about you, send them pictures, get advice from spiritual teachers on your compatibility, and make real efforts like she did, if they don't want to be with you. It helped me to process that. Plus, the many things I did to stop it becoming a healthy relationship, were down to me, and the insecurities I've been working through the past 3 years.
I realised, the situation was too complex, but in a year or two, if I was I found myself in the same position, I can see myself being able to make it work.
By all accounts, I am a major example of a former incel, hardcase success story.
I have done it through consistent hard work. And not failing to show up.
I give myself credit for it now. And can see why I get the respect I do in the community and in life.
I have a date tonight, with a girl I consider very pretty, and I'm quite happy about that. I have another one scheduled tomorrow, and there are two other girls who are chatting with me on WhatsApp, keen for a date.
We'll create positive experiences together.
I have spoken to Carl, and our commitment to inner work is so very strong, that he's agree that we're going to extend my stay in NYC, until we have made real, true inner progress. I think another 5 weeks will see us progress a lot.
We're doing inner work sessions, twice a week, which are quite deep dives.
And following a really successful mushrooms session yesterday, we are going to do another one in 4 weeks.
The sticking point for me, which everyone insists on, is inner game & past trauma. Which I do not blame myself for - childhood trauma is not the individuals fault. But it is an opportunity for growth & transcendence.
And to find inner peace, and the ability to form strong, loving, positive romantic relationships.
I am healing & growing.
Because I am doing the work.
It is my experience in life, that sometimes, winning is ugly. It's not neat. It's not tidy. It can infact, suck.
Embracing it. Doing the work. And taking it one day at a time, has produced a very, very interesting and fascinating life for me, that I am quite surprised I get to lead.................
Onwards.
-MAC
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2021
Monday 16/09/2024
(1) Business:
-Block 1: Coaching + Adding Value
-Block 2: Business Development
-Block 3: Partnership Project
-Client Call: Manhattan
(2) Body:
-Gym: Legs & KoT
-Diet
(3) Mindset:
-Date: Bring intent, man to woman, be calibrated and lead. Work on tonality and presence, and vibe. Create chemistry. Pitch the pull, bring her back.
Notes:
Well, this weekend was phenomenal.
The shrooms trip, was a resounding success. A peak life experience, and deeply, deeply healing. Getting inside of myself, and understanding the truths, and the fictions within myself.
Some powerful things that were profound, reality melting insights during the trip:
-I am quite an attractive and desirable person. I tend not to act as if this is true. A guy who is 6ft5, decent to moderately good looking, in shape, and whom is confident, hard working, and good with people, is not unattractive. I wouldn't have slept with as many women as I have, if this was the case. And some of the women, did actually like it. There are examples of where there was genuine interest; that is sufficient to put the matter to bed, when my deeper being is able to realise it.
-Low SMV, as a concept, is quite flawed. It is not the correct way to think about it. All males, have a market. Some do have a far larger market, but the real world data suggest, every male who is alive, DOES have a market, and genuine survival and replication value. My market, is a good one. I am able to attract intelligent, sometimes quite attractive, women, who are well-rounded, and of sufficient value, that they are able to see the substance I have, and look past mainstream and conformist notions of attractiveness, desirability, and so on. My image, is positive – those who are not a good fit for me, stay away from me, and those who are receptive, I am able to draw in, and will draw in more reliably when my inner game has strengthened further. While it does often take considerably more swipes, approaches, and periods of time to find “qualified leads”, so to speak, these are the only leads I would ever want. I do not require anyone in my life who does not see value in me, and see me as a catch. Because I am.
-I have achieved my wildest dreams and consistently hit my goals, year after year, without fail. I have built an unbelievably network and life, where high level people text me every single day wanting to hang out. Considering true incel, hardcases, who are virgins until 30 and who have an absolute wreckage of a life to claw back up from, there is a case to be made that my own personal transformation is one of the greatest hardcase success stories of all time, and I still in the journey, working through my long standing inner game sticking point.
-I can find the successful relationship I seek, with a quality partner, and the only reason it hasn't happened yet, is my long-standing patterns of self-sabotage. However, each time I awaken to the self-sabotage, the next round, is far weaker. They are becoming progressively weaker, and in time, like everything – they'll abate and leave me with deeper freedom and peace.
The outer work we do, pursuing goals, is great.
The inner work, creating a better Self, is everything.
Inner Game is KING.
This chapter of my life will be dedicated to building good Inner Game.
It'll happen.
-MAC
(1) Business:
-Block 1: Coaching + Adding Value
-Block 2: Business Development
-Block 3: Partnership Project
-Client Call: Manhattan
(2) Body:
-Gym: Legs & KoT
-Diet
(3) Mindset:
-Date: Bring intent, man to woman, be calibrated and lead. Work on tonality and presence, and vibe. Create chemistry. Pitch the pull, bring her back.
Notes:
Well, this weekend was phenomenal.
The shrooms trip, was a resounding success. A peak life experience, and deeply, deeply healing. Getting inside of myself, and understanding the truths, and the fictions within myself.
Some powerful things that were profound, reality melting insights during the trip:
-I am quite an attractive and desirable person. I tend not to act as if this is true. A guy who is 6ft5, decent to moderately good looking, in shape, and whom is confident, hard working, and good with people, is not unattractive. I wouldn't have slept with as many women as I have, if this was the case. And some of the women, did actually like it. There are examples of where there was genuine interest; that is sufficient to put the matter to bed, when my deeper being is able to realise it.
-Low SMV, as a concept, is quite flawed. It is not the correct way to think about it. All males, have a market. Some do have a far larger market, but the real world data suggest, every male who is alive, DOES have a market, and genuine survival and replication value. My market, is a good one. I am able to attract intelligent, sometimes quite attractive, women, who are well-rounded, and of sufficient value, that they are able to see the substance I have, and look past mainstream and conformist notions of attractiveness, desirability, and so on. My image, is positive – those who are not a good fit for me, stay away from me, and those who are receptive, I am able to draw in, and will draw in more reliably when my inner game has strengthened further. While it does often take considerably more swipes, approaches, and periods of time to find “qualified leads”, so to speak, these are the only leads I would ever want. I do not require anyone in my life who does not see value in me, and see me as a catch. Because I am.
-I have achieved my wildest dreams and consistently hit my goals, year after year, without fail. I have built an unbelievably network and life, where high level people text me every single day wanting to hang out. Considering true incel, hardcases, who are virgins until 30 and who have an absolute wreckage of a life to claw back up from, there is a case to be made that my own personal transformation is one of the greatest hardcase success stories of all time, and I still in the journey, working through my long standing inner game sticking point.
-I can find the successful relationship I seek, with a quality partner, and the only reason it hasn't happened yet, is my long-standing patterns of self-sabotage. However, each time I awaken to the self-sabotage, the next round, is far weaker. They are becoming progressively weaker, and in time, like everything – they'll abate and leave me with deeper freedom and peace.
The outer work we do, pursuing goals, is great.
The inner work, creating a better Self, is everything.
Inner Game is KING.
This chapter of my life will be dedicated to building good Inner Game.
It'll happen.
-MAC
Ali
Member
- Joined
- Jun 20, 2022
I really like your outlook on smv!
I've always been confused how some girls are completely indifferent but others seem to think I'm the next Messiah it just doesn't add up.
I've been looking for girls who are more compatible not just above my looks threshold and have been enjoying it a lot.
I've always been confused how some girls are completely indifferent but others seem to think I'm the next Messiah it just doesn't add up.
I've been looking for girls who are more compatible not just above my looks threshold and have been enjoying it a lot.
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2021
Mate, TELL ME ABOUT IT!
Day Gaming, or Night Gaming for that matter, you'd think I'm from the moon!
90% of chicks who stop, are open to listening and maybe feeling if there is something, but they just can't process feeling attraction or desire.
On the apps, there are some lovely women who are just into me, and show genuine keen interest in coming to see me.
I will comment more, off to a meeting rn, but lordy, can your perspective get REKT if you're not looking at it the right way
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2021
Date was cuck.
Upon arrival, the girl was quite nervous, scattered. She later revealed she had ADHD.
I was tired, and not in my clearest head space. It was tougher to think, and hold tension.
The girl, was not vibey, very logical, and the conversation, lacked sexual tension.
There was a lack of base attraction here. She did admit to being stressed and having had a long day. So emotionally, she probably wasn't in the best of spirits. She didn't have the feminine energy or presence I often seek.
How I handled this:
-Frame: Didn't feel like I was in control, conversation was spiralling all over the place in her ADHD mind. Was doing what I could, but felt like it was hard to move things forward.
-Sexualisation: She was fine with touch, and didn't object at all.
-Intent: I would make sexual jokes and innuendo, and talk about sexual topics, but she just didn't respond, and would switch the topic.
-Future projection: Did some, which kinda just floated over her head.
-Soft pitching the pull: Was trying to find some way to pitch the pull, but she wouldn't give me anything.
As the date went past the 1hr mark, it was clear we weren't vibing.
I decided to tell her, we can call it here, rather than tell her we're not vibing.
Useful experience, first date since arriving in NYC. Really not the type of girl I would want to date at all. Not the energy I like.
Perhaps if I was in a better headspace, I could have done better. Nonetheless, practice, useful experience.
I do have another lead for tomorrow, and there is another chick who is asking me when I'll be taking her for drinks, but I am going to ghost that one - I know her type, busy, professional investment banker. Masculine energy and virtually guaranteed cuck. No thanks.
The girl tomorrow, I hope I like better as a person.
A decent day, but mentally not sharp. The shrooming, drained my mind a tonne.
Lets do better tomorrow.
-MAC
Upon arrival, the girl was quite nervous, scattered. She later revealed she had ADHD.
I was tired, and not in my clearest head space. It was tougher to think, and hold tension.
The girl, was not vibey, very logical, and the conversation, lacked sexual tension.
There was a lack of base attraction here. She did admit to being stressed and having had a long day. So emotionally, she probably wasn't in the best of spirits. She didn't have the feminine energy or presence I often seek.
How I handled this:
-Frame: Didn't feel like I was in control, conversation was spiralling all over the place in her ADHD mind. Was doing what I could, but felt like it was hard to move things forward.
-Sexualisation: She was fine with touch, and didn't object at all.
-Intent: I would make sexual jokes and innuendo, and talk about sexual topics, but she just didn't respond, and would switch the topic.
-Future projection: Did some, which kinda just floated over her head.
-Soft pitching the pull: Was trying to find some way to pitch the pull, but she wouldn't give me anything.
As the date went past the 1hr mark, it was clear we weren't vibing.
I decided to tell her, we can call it here, rather than tell her we're not vibing.
Useful experience, first date since arriving in NYC. Really not the type of girl I would want to date at all. Not the energy I like.
Perhaps if I was in a better headspace, I could have done better. Nonetheless, practice, useful experience.
I do have another lead for tomorrow, and there is another chick who is asking me when I'll be taking her for drinks, but I am going to ghost that one - I know her type, busy, professional investment banker. Masculine energy and virtually guaranteed cuck. No thanks.
The girl tomorrow, I hope I like better as a person.
A decent day, but mentally not sharp. The shrooming, drained my mind a tonne.
Lets do better tomorrow.
-MAC
loki
Member
- Joined
- Aug 10, 2021
- Goal
- Happiness
- Age
- 25
- Motto
- Wagmi
- Location
- Toronto
Game is about being authentic and assertive.
When a girl does something you don't like, and you keep it in your head instead of communicating it to her, you are on the passive side of passive-aggressive. The more you passively build up resentment, the more it later comes out as the uncalibrated aggressive side of passive-aggression, usually long after the fact and emanating in a million subtle ways, like:
- holding tension in your body around women
- complaining about women when they're not around
- being overly paranoid and distrustful when you do start to get closer to women
- directing this pain into yourself through self sabotage
The nice thing about field reports is you can read the complaints you make about the girl, and simply actually directly say those complaints to the next girl that does the same shit.
After all, if you're walking away anyway, why not state your ultimatum of all the behaviour you don't like in her, before walking away?
(And if you're ready to state ultimatums before walking away, why not bring up those objections even sooner in the process? And so on until you're properly balanced in being assertive at the right time and in the right context and in a gentle, firm, light heated manner.)
But for now let's start with the whole, be honest with the girl right before you walk away stuff.
So let's take this report as an example:
Did you tell her that you felt like the conversation was going nowhere and you were failing to build a connection and intimacy because she kept distracting you and shutting her off?
Did you tell her that she was sending mixed signals by being open to physical touch but not opening up as a person?
Did you call her out on being weirdly asexual in her energy?
Did you call her out on not really paying attention to you and going along with good vibes?
Did you call her out on being slippery and evasive?
---
Obviously none of this is an immediate "I win" cheat code. Your results are barely going to improve, if at all, when you start the process of ACTUALLY being assertive by ACTUALLY communicating your needs and how the girl is failing to meet them. But it's the obvious and natural first step to being more assertive and opens up a lot more space in the conversation to figure out her blockers and get her to bring up objections for you to work around. It's the path you HAVE to take.
All of this game stuff really just tries to point you into looking at your own needs and most effectively communicating them to the girl.
That's an INTERNAL process.
That's not a "listen to someone else's instructions and execute them" process where for example you hear that you have to "make the conversation sexual" so you execute "making the conversation sexual" in a detached way.
That's a process where YOU YOURSELF DIRECTLY KNOW AND FEEL this stuff, that for example you want to open the girl's sexual energy up, that this is who you ARE as a person, and that this is a gift to women, and that if they're rejecting this gift, it's a win for both of you to be firm in calling her out and exploring why she's rejecting it.
---
Going deeper though, I'm pretty sure some part of you is repulsed by these suggestions, especially since I remember you tried working on this stuff a year ago and went nowhere. You've done a bajillion approaches and gone on a zillion dates of which like 90% you yourself claim go nowhere.
Why after all this time is it so difficult for you to be assertive to women who you claim are obviously not interested in you?
I'm saying this to point at something meaningful inside yourself. You're denying yourself permission to actually state YOUR OWN needs, based on what YOU want, instead of submitting to other peoples' rules of politeness and "not hurting girls feelings" (which is ironic because we do it way more when we're passive aggressive than when we show them who we really are), and following other peoples' game instructions so that you can blame failing to assert yourself on failing to pick the right system, rather than failing to actually show your true core.
(sorry if this is fragmented repeating myself I edited this post a bunch)
The lack of giving yourself permission to go for what you want goes really deep into your triggers, which is why more than anything I'm so supportive of you taking time off to explore these triggers and personality flaws, because as I'm going through this process myself I'm seeing it be so much more rewarding than anything else I did in game in the last 3 years.
When a girl does something you don't like, and you keep it in your head instead of communicating it to her, you are on the passive side of passive-aggressive. The more you passively build up resentment, the more it later comes out as the uncalibrated aggressive side of passive-aggression, usually long after the fact and emanating in a million subtle ways, like:
- holding tension in your body around women
- complaining about women when they're not around
- being overly paranoid and distrustful when you do start to get closer to women
- directing this pain into yourself through self sabotage
The nice thing about field reports is you can read the complaints you make about the girl, and simply actually directly say those complaints to the next girl that does the same shit.
After all, if you're walking away anyway, why not state your ultimatum of all the behaviour you don't like in her, before walking away?
(And if you're ready to state ultimatums before walking away, why not bring up those objections even sooner in the process? And so on until you're properly balanced in being assertive at the right time and in the right context and in a gentle, firm, light heated manner.)
But for now let's start with the whole, be honest with the girl right before you walk away stuff.
So let's take this report as an example:
Did you tell her that you felt like the conversation was going nowhere and you were failing to build a connection and intimacy because she kept distracting you and shutting her off?
Did you tell her that she was sending mixed signals by being open to physical touch but not opening up as a person?
Did you call her out on being weirdly asexual in her energy?
Did you call her out on not really paying attention to you and going along with good vibes?
Did you call her out on being slippery and evasive?
---
Obviously none of this is an immediate "I win" cheat code. Your results are barely going to improve, if at all, when you start the process of ACTUALLY being assertive by ACTUALLY communicating your needs and how the girl is failing to meet them. But it's the obvious and natural first step to being more assertive and opens up a lot more space in the conversation to figure out her blockers and get her to bring up objections for you to work around. It's the path you HAVE to take.
All of this game stuff really just tries to point you into looking at your own needs and most effectively communicating them to the girl.
That's an INTERNAL process.
That's not a "listen to someone else's instructions and execute them" process where for example you hear that you have to "make the conversation sexual" so you execute "making the conversation sexual" in a detached way.
That's a process where YOU YOURSELF DIRECTLY KNOW AND FEEL this stuff, that for example you want to open the girl's sexual energy up, that this is who you ARE as a person, and that this is a gift to women, and that if they're rejecting this gift, it's a win for both of you to be firm in calling her out and exploring why she's rejecting it.
---
Going deeper though, I'm pretty sure some part of you is repulsed by these suggestions, especially since I remember you tried working on this stuff a year ago and went nowhere. You've done a bajillion approaches and gone on a zillion dates of which like 90% you yourself claim go nowhere.
Why after all this time is it so difficult for you to be assertive to women who you claim are obviously not interested in you?
I'm saying this to point at something meaningful inside yourself. You're denying yourself permission to actually state YOUR OWN needs, based on what YOU want, instead of submitting to other peoples' rules of politeness and "not hurting girls feelings" (which is ironic because we do it way more when we're passive aggressive than when we show them who we really are), and following other peoples' game instructions so that you can blame failing to assert yourself on failing to pick the right system, rather than failing to actually show your true core.
(sorry if this is fragmented repeating myself I edited this post a bunch)
The lack of giving yourself permission to go for what you want goes really deep into your triggers, which is why more than anything I'm so supportive of you taking time off to explore these triggers and personality flaws, because as I'm going through this process myself I'm seeing it be so much more rewarding than anything else I did in game in the last 3 years.
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