Advice for Tinder pictures

[Jamgoth]

Most of these were taken with a professional photographer recently. The day I scheduled the photoshoot was cloudy which isn't ideal. I don't think they are great but it's a step up over the bathroom selfies I have. I think I have a good face but I need to bulk up more, which I'm in the process of doing. I'm definitely not photogenic though, smiling for a camera is very unnatural for me. I think these photos will suffice for now but I want more activity pics or stuff with me with friends. I plan to update these as I get new, better pictures in the future.

Also, obligatory picture of me with a girl (platonic friend) to show I'm social (even though I'm not)

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=b2RpZm5PeDNDYjNlU2xFb2dyQmZUV3RUdi02czhR

 

[almost30]

The links dont work for me

 

[Jamgoth]

The links dont work for me

Yeah let me try to fix that

 

[Jamgoth]

The links dont work for me

Link should be fixed now (I think)

 

[pancakemouse]

Definitely a step up from a bathroom selfie, yeah.

The first photo I'd try to crop, the way it's framed makes your torso look overly long. You can also see dog hair/lint on your shirt, not ideal. Maybe that will not be visible with the app compression.

I would not use the photo of you with the girl. People will think it's your girlfriend and it will hurt you more than help you.

In general, there's not too much you can do here because you just don't have an underlying image that's attractive. You need to go balls to the wall to gain 10lbs of muscle immediately, even if it means putting everything else on hold.

Also, I don't tell many guys this, but smiling may suit you more than not smiling.

 

[Jamgoth]

Definitely a step up from a bathroom selfie, yeah.

The first photo I'd try to crop, the way it's framed makes your torso look overly long. You can also see dog hair/lint on your shirt, not ideal. Maybe that will not be visible with the app compression.

I would not use the photo of you with the girl. People will think it's your girlfriend and it will hurt you more than help you.

In general, there's not too much you can do here because you just don't have an underlying image that's attractive. You need to go balls to the wall to gain 10lbs of muscle immediately, even if it means putting everything else on hold.

Also, I don't tell many guys this, but smiling may suit you more than not smiling.

Okay, good advice, I'll get rid of that shirt and not use those pictures. The photographer took several pictures and I think the ones where I smile look worse, I'm not good at forcing a smile.

Do you recommend I still restart my Tinder account with the new pics and see how I do or should I wait to gain more muscle?

 

[pancakemouse]

Definitely a step up from a bathroom selfie, yeah.

The first photo I'd try to crop, the way it's framed makes your torso look overly long. You can also see dog hair/lint on your shirt, not ideal. Maybe that will not be visible with the app compression.

I would not use the photo of you with the girl. People will think it's your girlfriend and it will hurt you more than help you.

In general, there's not too much you can do here because you just don't have an underlying image that's attractive. You need to go balls to the wall to gain 10lbs of muscle immediately, even if it means putting everything else on hold.

Also, I don't tell many guys this, but smiling may suit you more than not smiling.

Okay, good advice, I'll get rid of that shirt and not use those pictures. The photographer took several pictures and I think the ones where I smile look worse, I'm not good at forcing a smile.

Do you recommend I still restart my Tinder account with the new pics and see how I do or should I wait to gain more muscle?

Just use the new photos for now. Apps are an iterative process. You are never going to make a great profile right away, it's something you need to test and try and chip away at over time.

If not smiling, you need to work on grimacing in such a way where you don't look angry. Look at some YouTube videos on model poses, print out some images, and practice posing in front of the mirror.

 

[Jamgoth]

Okay, good advice, I'll get rid of that shirt and not use those pictures. The photographer took several pictures and I think the ones where I smile look worse, I'm not good at forcing a smile.

Do you recommend I still restart my Tinder account with the new pics and see how I do or should I wait to gain more muscle?

Just use the new photos for now. Apps are an iterative process. You are never going to make a great profile right away, it's something you need to test and try and chip away at over time.

If not smiling, you need to work on grimacing in such a way where you don't look angry. Look at some YouTube videos on model poses, print out some images, and practice posing in front of the mirror.

So I tried setting up a new account with the new pictures, the three that are less bad. I had to delete my previous account (which I did a couple weeks ago, one that hasn't seen any use in years, but it still had my phone number attached). I paid for gold and did a boost .... and.... I'm still getting no matches. Shit's disappointing man.

 

[kratjeuh]

Just use the new photos for now. Apps are an iterative process. You are never going to make a great profile right away, it's something you need to test and try and chip away at over time.

If not smiling, you need to work on grimacing in such a way where you don't look angry. Look at some YouTube videos on model poses, print out some images, and practice posing in front of the mirror.

So I tried setting up a new account with the new pictures, the three that are less bad. I had to delete my previous account (which I did a couple weeks ago, one that hasn't seen any use in years, but it still had my phone number attached). I paid for gold and did a boost .... and.... I'm still getting no matches. Shit's disappointing man.

Take all the advice pancaek gave you and keep going.

For expressions you can also tweak the pics a bit with photoshop apps aswell as playing around with the contrast/lighting of the picture. I'd also advice you to try to take pictures in more high value locations (rooftop bars, shopping centres, on a hike , ...) I get that you feel umcomfortable doing this which is why you can also drive an hour to a location where nobody knows you and be an influencer for a day

 

[Jamgoth]

So I tried setting up a new account with the new pictures, the three that are less bad. I had to delete my previous account (which I did a couple weeks ago, one that hasn't seen any use in years, but it still had my phone number attached). I paid for gold and did a boost .... and.... I'm still getting no matches. Shit's disappointing man.

Take all the advice pancaek gave you and keep going.

For expressions you can also tweak the pics a bit with photoshop apps aswell as playing around with the contrast/lighting of the picture. I'd also advice you to try to take pictures in more high value locations (rooftop bars, shopping centres, on a hike , ...) I get that you feel umcomfortable doing this which is why you can also drive an hour to a location where nobody knows you and be an influencer for a day

Yeah, I'll try to get more activity pictures soon.

 

[pancakemouse]

Just use the new photos for now. Apps are an iterative process. You are never going to make a great profile right away, it's something you need to test and try and chip away at over time.

If not smiling, you need to work on grimacing in such a way where you don't look angry. Look at some YouTube videos on model poses, print out some images, and practice posing in front of the mirror.

So I tried setting up a new account with the new pictures, the three that are less bad. I had to delete my previous account (which I did a couple weeks ago, one that hasn't seen any use in years, but it still had my phone number attached). I paid for gold and did a boost .... and.... I'm still getting no matches. Shit's disappointing man.

You're unlikely to get matches on a Tuesday (evening? I feel like you're in Europe). I consider my profile in the top 30 to 40 percentile depending on the city and even then I frequently get zero matches when using a Boost.

You should pay for Platinum, not Gold. Gold is worthless.

 

[almost30]

I only have 1 small tip (because I'm a noob at tinder and I haven't used it in years) but I think you would look better without glasses. Almost everyone does, including myself.

 

[Jamgoth]

I only have 1 small tip (because I'm a noob at tinder and I haven't used it in years) but I think you would look better without glasses. Almost everyone does, including myself.

Yeah I'm trying to get used to putting in contacts.

 

[Mimbe393939]

I'd consider re-vamping your entire wardrobe to a more minimalistic style, and getting better fitting clothes

I started with all black + white shoes Adidas Stan Smith. I'd start here -> https://killyourinnerloser.com/style-guide/

Consider starting to wear contact lenses, we all had to do it

See how you look with a low skin fade, instead of a business cut or whatever you've got

You're wearing the same shirt, in two photos. Which isn't good

Consider trimming the hairs on your neck, and styling your scruff/facial hair

Lot's of work to be done.

Personally, I'd probably focus more on revamping a lot of these things before tinder, given your results.

You have no edge, you are no threat.

 

[hush]

I agree you'd look better without glasses or with better looking glasses. I also agree about adding 10lbs of muscle.

Let your hair grow then get a good haircut

Have you tried growing a beard?

Also, work on your look, your clothes aren't flattering.

Lastly, if you're not social then work on that, getting girls will be much easier

You have good potential, gotta exploit it

 

[Jamgoth]

I agree you'd look better without glasses or with better looking glasses. I also agree about adding 10lbs of muscle.

Let your hair grow then get a good haircut

Have you tried growing a beard?

Also, work on your look, your clothes aren't flattering.

Lastly, if you're not social then work on that, getting girls will be much easier

You have good potential, gotta exploit it

What would you recommend for clothes?

I've grown out a beard in the past but did not like the look.

 

[hush]

What would you recommend for clothes?

Start with Andy's article and ask Radical for his style guide and also subscribe to his newsletter to get his "one outfit to rule them all" guide

A pair of white sneakers
A pair of blue jeans, a sand Chino
Good fitting shirts

Those are basics but blue jeans + sky blue shirt + white sneakers will make you look better than 80% of men, provided the clothes fit

 

[Jamgoth]

What would you recommend for clothes?

Start with Andy's article and ask Radical for his style guide and also subscribe to his newsletter to get his "one outfit to rule them all" guide

A pair of white sneakers
A pair of blue jeans, a sand Chino
Good fitting shirts

Those are basics but blue jeans + sky blue shirt + white sneakers will make you look better than 80% of men, provided the clothes fit

Other than the red shirt and the graphic tee, both of which I've already thrown out, isn't that what I already have? Grey sneakers and jeans plus shirt (maybe flannel on top of that)

 

[hush]

Plain color, buttoned shirts would look better than a plaid shirt on top of a tee shirt
Regarding the jeans I'd try a slim or semi-slim cut

 

[colgate / bulldog]

Just use the new photos for now. Apps are an iterative process. You are never going to make a great profile right away, it's something you need to test and try and chip away at over time.

If not smiling, you need to work on grimacing in such a way where you don't look angry. Look at some YouTube videos on model poses, print out some images, and practice posing in front of the mirror.

So I tried setting up a new account with the new pictures, the three that are less bad. I had to delete my previous account (which I did a couple weeks ago, one that hasn't seen any use in years, but it still had my phone number attached). I paid for gold and did a boost .... and.... I'm still getting no matches. Shit's disappointing man.

I too got around zero matches when I started using Tinder.

Then I did some preliminary photoshoots, but I was still getting only a few here and there.

Then I followed Radical's style guide, got new photos again, but the results didn't improve.

I hit the gym on-and-off for around 9-10 months (you could do way better than I did if you take it seriously).

After a couple optimizations from pancakemouse and learning the flow of messaging it took me 11 months to even get my first phone number off of Tinder.

I got ~110 matches in around a month after this much effort
https://killyourinnerloser.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=39817#p39817
https://killyourinnerloser.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=40299#p40299

colgate-chan's take（＾Ｏ＾☆♪
I'm going to be real and say you have to start with a lot of self-improvement to even get your foot in the door with dating. You have a somewhat similar background as I did so I think I can provide some guidance (skinny, nerdy, glasses, university boy).

I'll also just write this self-contained comment so if you're serious, you can literally just follow everything I list below and show us in your progress log. (others have already said the below in one way or another)

I promise you if you do everything I tell you in this comment without making excuses, you'll have accelerated progress. This is from my own lived experience and things I have personally done.

Fitness
Your biggest priority needs to be hitting the gym and focusing on that. Bare minimum at your height, you should be able to squat ~225, bench ~175, and deadlift ~275 to even get in the door.

You should see your current fitness level as synonymous as an obese person's, except you have to gain weight. I had to do it too, and that's just how it is.

You can research how to do that, plenty of resources online for fitness, just pick a plan and stick with it until you have the above results.

And then some more.

Vision
You must get contacts. Non-negotiable. (that was one of the first things I did joining the forums too, you can see my first video log in my thread where i still had glasses). It used to take me 30-60 minutes to even get my contacts in and I would be late for everything, but eventually you'll get them in quickly.

If you are really serious, go get LASIK or SMILE eye surgery. It will change your life beyond just the vision improvements. I got it, and then I literally lost my virginity the same week (sans escort lol).

You will honestly do this one day or another so you might as well just get it now while you're in the self-improvement phase. Take a bank loan if you have to. KillYourInnerLoser did it.



Style
Toss out your wardrobe and get the following as a starter style pack. You might already have some of these but I'm just going to make the list (mostly) exhaustive for inventory purposes:
- 2-3 plain gray t-shirts from a department store (zara, express, just go to the mall lol)
- 2-3 plain black t-shirts from a department store
- 1-2 grey jeans, 1-2 black jeans, at least one ripped, distressed, slim fit
- white sneakers
- rings
- pendant necklace
- go to a watch store to get one properly sized rather than purchasing online, but silver watch

Dating
You won't get any results with online as you are right now.

However, you will definitely be able to start getting dates through daytime cold approach. I think it has the lowest barrier of entry and will get you some formative experiences with talking to girls, in addition to boosting your general confidence.

I wrote this comment to Hard2Focus on how to get started with that, sans AA program: https://killyourinnerloser.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=40142#p40142

He has been following it and has been making approaches.

Escorts
I'll put this clause here just for the lolz: "the below information is purely for informational purposes and in no way is it condoning illegal behavior or actions"

If you're a virgin, this will massively help you beyond how you think it will.

It takes a lot to get over your ego and just pull the trigger and do it. But doing it will not only show you a "simulated" experience for what's in store, you'll gain a decent idea on how to escalate on girls when you have the chance.

Additionally, you can just get it out of the way and if you have a bad "first experience", it'll at least be on a "practice" girl. And then you can hire a second one to "try again" and feel more confident when you have a real girl with you.

https://killyourinnerloser.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=36391#p36391
https://killyourinnerloser.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=37513#p37513

dm me if you want more deets on this