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I've been boxing for about 4 years. About 2 of those years were under guidance with a retired professional fighter. I've also trained in Muay Thai as well as certain military style forms. I've also done some BJJ although I'm not that good and I think people with a non-wrestling background need at least 2 years of consistent training to get to blue belt.
If you're training for self defense I personally think you're better off owning a gun AND living in a safe location. Every serious teacher I've had (at least 10+ years of training) tells me if they were to be robbed they would drop their stuff and run.
Given this forum's audience I suggest reading The Little Black Book of Violence. If I could give a summary you want to avoid fights and if you were to get into a fight your life will get very difficult moving forward as various parties want to cash in on your stupidity.
Martial arts is great for self improvement. You adopt a growth mindset. 4 years ago if I jabbed the punching bag I would injure my wrist. Now I can move the bag around as well as do some more advanced tricks. The retired professional fighter would tell everybody fighters would sometimes work on one punch or one aspect of their game for the day (i.e. footwork).
If you're training for self defense I personally think you're better off owning a gun AND living in a safe location. Every serious teacher I've had (at least 10+ years of training) tells me if they were to be robbed they would drop their stuff and run.
Given this forum's audience I suggest reading The Little Black Book of Violence. If I could give a summary you want to avoid fights and if you were to get into a fight your life will get very difficult moving forward as various parties want to cash in on your stupidity.
Martial arts is great for self improvement. You adopt a growth mindset. 4 years ago if I jabbed the punching bag I would injure my wrist. Now I can move the bag around as well as do some more advanced tricks. The retired professional fighter would tell everybody fighters would sometimes work on one punch or one aspect of their game for the day (i.e. footwork).
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l0vebone said:
Nice! Ever visited Thailand?
I trained at Tiger and a couple small name gyms when I was in Phuket. I lived like a king in that country.
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^^
All of my boxing trainers taught me stuff, but the one that taught me the most is in the hall of fame with 15+ KOs. I might do a "3 things I learned from a HOF Martial Artist" post later this week. Maybe you could do one with your trainer. Down the line I could give my opinion on how to select a boxing gym, as that's the art I'm mostly familiar with. I'm crazy busy.
Off topic:
Tiger is all marketing, there's lesser known gyms like Dragon that will take your game to the next level.
There's plenty of resources to prepare for your trip to Thailand. Some nuggets off the top of my head was bumping into a girl from where I lived who only stayed for 1 week (yeah, crazy) and a Canadian who said Bangkok was his least favorite city while he was touring the region. I think the best advice I can give is don't stay for less than 3 weeks but I'm not sure where you live. You can dine at fancy restaurants at about $50 USD and best massages you will ever receive for $15 per hour. I missed him but if Saenchai was in the city I would have done a 1 on 1 with him ($200 USD per hour). For the uninitiated it's analogous to shooting hoops with Michael Jordan or catching footballs with Joe Montana.
Flights in the Southeast Asian region are cheap unless COVID has changed that. I could have flown to Bali for $80-90.
All of my boxing trainers taught me stuff, but the one that taught me the most is in the hall of fame with 15+ KOs. I might do a "3 things I learned from a HOF Martial Artist" post later this week. Maybe you could do one with your trainer. Down the line I could give my opinion on how to select a boxing gym, as that's the art I'm mostly familiar with. I'm crazy busy.
Off topic:
Tiger is all marketing, there's lesser known gyms like Dragon that will take your game to the next level.
There's plenty of resources to prepare for your trip to Thailand. Some nuggets off the top of my head was bumping into a girl from where I lived who only stayed for 1 week (yeah, crazy) and a Canadian who said Bangkok was his least favorite city while he was touring the region. I think the best advice I can give is don't stay for less than 3 weeks but I'm not sure where you live. You can dine at fancy restaurants at about $50 USD and best massages you will ever receive for $15 per hour. I missed him but if Saenchai was in the city I would have done a 1 on 1 with him ($200 USD per hour). For the uninitiated it's analogous to shooting hoops with Michael Jordan or catching footballs with Joe Montana.
Flights in the Southeast Asian region are cheap unless COVID has changed that. I could have flown to Bali for $80-90.
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Quick Advice on Selecting a Boxing Gym:
My main experience is with boxing, although I have some experience in Muay Thai. I've also trained in Thailand albeit for a couple weeks. I hope this helps:
I suggest starting out with a trial lesson to feel out the place.
Be specific with your fitness/training goal. Some of the boxing gyms I went to were about 1/2 technique 1/2 cardio. IMO you want the gyms that are about 90% technique as you can always do cardio on your own time. AVOID gyms that don't teach technique. Especially when you're new you could hurt yourself.
Know the gym's sparring policy. I'm assuming people reading this are beginners. Every boxing gym I've been to in America it was only the advanced people sparring. The only exception I've seen was when I was in Phuket and the Muay Thai instructors had sessions for beginners. I don't agree with gyms getting beginners to spar as some people will say they'll go at 50% and then dial it up to 100%. That's a great way for a beginner to never want to box again. I do think sparring will accelerate your learning experience. You can only learn so much just hitting a heavy bag.
Read reviews from other students. Although I've never had any complaints I've heard of some UFC places making it hard for students to cancel.
My main experience is with boxing, although I have some experience in Muay Thai. I've also trained in Thailand albeit for a couple weeks. I hope this helps:
I suggest starting out with a trial lesson to feel out the place.
Be specific with your fitness/training goal. Some of the boxing gyms I went to were about 1/2 technique 1/2 cardio. IMO you want the gyms that are about 90% technique as you can always do cardio on your own time. AVOID gyms that don't teach technique. Especially when you're new you could hurt yourself.
Know the gym's sparring policy. I'm assuming people reading this are beginners. Every boxing gym I've been to in America it was only the advanced people sparring. The only exception I've seen was when I was in Phuket and the Muay Thai instructors had sessions for beginners. I don't agree with gyms getting beginners to spar as some people will say they'll go at 50% and then dial it up to 100%. That's a great way for a beginner to never want to box again. I do think sparring will accelerate your learning experience. You can only learn so much just hitting a heavy bag.
Read reviews from other students. Although I've never had any complaints I've heard of some UFC places making it hard for students to cancel.
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IMO the best boxing gyms don't have "classes" and are dirt cheap.
The coaches just let people hit the bags and they start giving you pointers and inviting you to spar once they see you're serious about it.
That's the case at least for all of the gyms in my area who produced good boxers.
The coaches just let people hit the bags and they start giving you pointers and inviting you to spar once they see you're serious about it.
That's the case at least for all of the gyms in my area who produced good boxers.
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Super into martial arts well primarly boxing after dabbling other Martial arts ! I done boxing for 12 years and I teach it , and improving my stuff constantly almost daily ,via observation or sparring etc etc etc!
boblikestacos666
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I did amateur boxing for 5 years, and have had 20 + amateur fights.
Competed in tournaments such as Golden Gloves, etc,
Boxing is a great workout, but not really a great career choice.
Competed in tournaments such as Golden Gloves, etc,
Boxing is a great workout, but not really a great career choice.
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Yeah out of any combat sport boxings the worst for your health. Thats actually one of the reasons i moved to muay thai. In MT/MMA you can always clinch or go to the ground if you start getting hit to the head hard, in boxing theres no way to avoid it. Its the strongest art for the streets though definitively.
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In the spirit of Logan Paul versus Mayweather this article talks about Mayweather's 40 round training routine:
https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2015/09/04/floyd-mayweather-training-routine/
I think it's more or less accurate. Bottom line is he really trains hard and he has motivation to do so ($$$$$$$$$).
https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2015/09/04/floyd-mayweather-training-routine/
I think it's more or less accurate. Bottom line is he really trains hard and he has motivation to do so ($$$$$$$$$).
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My thoughts on cyrotherapy:
I've done 3 cryotherapy sessions. I did it because if athletes like Lebron and Mayweather use it it must work right? I don't think most people here are professional athletes, even at the amateur professional level it would be a stretch to use cryotherapy. While it does help relieve pain I can't justify the cost. Sessions range from $20-$100 USD. I'd argue ice baths and massages are more effective to work out those tight muscles, develop mental toughness, or help relieve pain.
I've done 3 cryotherapy sessions. I did it because if athletes like Lebron and Mayweather use it it must work right? I don't think most people here are professional athletes, even at the amateur professional level it would be a stretch to use cryotherapy. While it does help relieve pain I can't justify the cost. Sessions range from $20-$100 USD. I'd argue ice baths and massages are more effective to work out those tight muscles, develop mental toughness, or help relieve pain.
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Mr Available cryotherapy is a bunch of bs just to make money. It may help people who have illnesses, but if you're a healthy individual the benefits are minimal. Inflammation actually increases performance in the long run, whereas cryotherapy decreases inflammation. Cryotherapy/ice baths are only useful if you need max performance over a series of days, where inflammation is the cause of a decrease in performance. It won't make you grow muscle faster.
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boblikestacos666 said:
Not to get too off topic but Brett Osborn's Get Serious talks about how aspirin can be used to decrease inflammation which is how illnesses occur.
Cheap At Home Boxing Aids (since it doesn't look like lockdowns are going away any time soon)
There's a lot of expensive equipment out there, you can get a decent workout with minimal cheap equipment. There's a clip of Lomachenko hitting a tennis ball attached to a backwards cap. With the heavy bags fill it up with sand or rice, you don't want it to move around too much when striking.
Pool noodle and duct tape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai0k7grPWAs
Tennis ball defense drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my1ttnqi6Is
4 Awesome Homemade Double-end Bag. Dumbbell. Speed bag. Standing Punching Bag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfTVFFytwhg
Pro fighter Sean Fagan's at home shadow boxing videos are awesome. Some of the follow along videos I've seen display terrible form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BelN3fx4H9o&t=1084s
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4 Lessons I learned from a martial arts hall of fame instructor
I've been studying boxing with the guy for about 1.5 years. I can list his other credentials but don't want to dox the guy. I did a trial lesson at his school and about 1 year later I signed up for paid lessons.
1) Stretching really matters when you get older.
You need to build your strength/muscle mass when you're young. My instructor had this image on the wall:
Walking around in hunched shoulders doesn't look attractive.
2) Perfect practice makes perfect
Time spent doing the wrong technique was counterproductive. It can extend to self improvement in general.
I remember one time he said during his career if he wasn't happy with his jab he would work on it for the day. Imagine spending 2 hours just jabbing a heavy bag.
He would correct you if you were wrong and sometimes I didn't agree with him. Before I signed up one of my former instructors suggested raising your shoulder when you jab so it offers protection.
3) If you want to have a career as a professional boxer you need to be a genetic freak AND be dedicated
The guy is over 40 and he's in very good shape. I think he can bench at least 300 and if he ever took off his shirt there would be a 6 pack.
He expected his students to take the class seriously and having been to some shitty boxing gyms I appreciated that for the most part. He also had boxing viewing events every now and then.
This can extend to self improvement. All the best keep showing up everyday for years -if not decades- while the losers quit after the first signs of trouble.
4) In self defense situations his advice is to run
This is someone who has been in more fights than most people ever will get involved in in their life. Boxing and martial arts by extension is all a sport with rules. In a street fight there could be multiple assailants and weapons. I had another martial arts instructor who loved to shoot guns and could severely hurt anybody with whatever he has on hand. In his words "I'm the biggest pussy ever."
I've been studying boxing with the guy for about 1.5 years. I can list his other credentials but don't want to dox the guy. I did a trial lesson at his school and about 1 year later I signed up for paid lessons.
1) Stretching really matters when you get older.
You need to build your strength/muscle mass when you're young. My instructor had this image on the wall:
Walking around in hunched shoulders doesn't look attractive.
2) Perfect practice makes perfect
Time spent doing the wrong technique was counterproductive. It can extend to self improvement in general.
I remember one time he said during his career if he wasn't happy with his jab he would work on it for the day. Imagine spending 2 hours just jabbing a heavy bag.
He would correct you if you were wrong and sometimes I didn't agree with him. Before I signed up one of my former instructors suggested raising your shoulder when you jab so it offers protection.
3) If you want to have a career as a professional boxer you need to be a genetic freak AND be dedicated
The guy is over 40 and he's in very good shape. I think he can bench at least 300 and if he ever took off his shirt there would be a 6 pack.
He expected his students to take the class seriously and having been to some shitty boxing gyms I appreciated that for the most part. He also had boxing viewing events every now and then.
This can extend to self improvement. All the best keep showing up everyday for years -if not decades- while the losers quit after the first signs of trouble.
4) In self defense situations his advice is to run
This is someone who has been in more fights than most people ever will get involved in in their life. Boxing and martial arts by extension is all a sport with rules. In a street fight there could be multiple assailants and weapons. I had another martial arts instructor who loved to shoot guns and could severely hurt anybody with whatever he has on hand. In his words "I'm the biggest pussy ever."
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Learning Martial Arts with Youtube Strategy
Before COVID hit sometimes I would watch martial arts videos before going to class. Sometimes I also watched jump rope videos to try out new tricks. The best jump roper in martial arts IMO is Brian Viloria. Mayweather is decent but Viloria is better. I'm not anything special, I just practice, keep failing, and learn from my mistakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDlqyuzBGB4
Coach Anthony
https://www.youtube.com/c/CoachAnthonyboxing/videos
Explains boxing technique very well.
Fight tips
https://www.youtube.com/c/Fighttips/featured
Talks about kickboxing, boxing, MMA, and BJJ.
Tony Jefferies (Olympic boxer)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT_8YwHmACxpUootXe7yKjA
I just watched a couple of his videos. My initial impression is he's very good for beginners.
At Home Resources Getting a Great Workout during COVID Lockdowns
What will make me not follow along is if the presenter isn't doing things like shifting his weight or getting the hands back into defense.
Precision Striking
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4PwJo76WpTOk-3N8dazt1A
I tried the guy's app and wasn't too impressed by it. I could always practice combos by myself on the heavy bag, or even better get coached so my technique doesn't regress. However if you can hook up his interactive videos on a TV that can help improve your boxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ulVTloWQ2E
Sean Fagan (pro fighter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BelN3fx4H9o&t=1084s
I've done this workout plenty of times when my gym was closed.
His abs routine is killer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL3zgOG03RE
Before COVID hit sometimes I would watch martial arts videos before going to class. Sometimes I also watched jump rope videos to try out new tricks. The best jump roper in martial arts IMO is Brian Viloria. Mayweather is decent but Viloria is better. I'm not anything special, I just practice, keep failing, and learn from my mistakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDlqyuzBGB4
Coach Anthony
https://www.youtube.com/c/CoachAnthonyboxing/videos
Explains boxing technique very well.
Fight tips
https://www.youtube.com/c/Fighttips/featured
Talks about kickboxing, boxing, MMA, and BJJ.
Tony Jefferies (Olympic boxer)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT_8YwHmACxpUootXe7yKjA
I just watched a couple of his videos. My initial impression is he's very good for beginners.
At Home Resources Getting a Great Workout during COVID Lockdowns
What will make me not follow along is if the presenter isn't doing things like shifting his weight or getting the hands back into defense.
Precision Striking
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4PwJo76WpTOk-3N8dazt1A
I tried the guy's app and wasn't too impressed by it. I could always practice combos by myself on the heavy bag, or even better get coached so my technique doesn't regress. However if you can hook up his interactive videos on a TV that can help improve your boxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ulVTloWQ2E
Sean Fagan (pro fighter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BelN3fx4H9o&t=1084s
I've done this workout plenty of times when my gym was closed.
His abs routine is killer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL3zgOG03RE
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One of my favorite Muay Thai/kickboxing practitioner is Ramon Dekkers. He was known for beating Thais and he died years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hoqtahve5oQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wZ67nsnQR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t18RTISAxRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hoqtahve5oQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wZ67nsnQR8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t18RTISAxRQ
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Here's some videos of "Mr Perfect" Ernesto Hoost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MtjfKlRHYE
Power versus technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9OOvABs6NE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS8sedJxv6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NPwG19JfoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLmQDmc06E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MtjfKlRHYE
Power versus technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9OOvABs6NE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS8sedJxv6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NPwG19JfoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLmQDmc06E
RogerRoger
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Mr Available, it's clear you're passionate about martial arts. Have you thought of doing a blog / podcast / youtube channel on it?