Yo bros,
I will respond & thank you all for the comments.
Working hard.
On the infield: it's agaisnt our rules to post any approaches, last thing we want us for us to catch that heat. Nope!
I have edited that post from Jakers. Glad to see ya btw homie.
That was a really bad approach, with no vibe, swagger, body movement, intent - it was str8 cuck. That was on the Sunday of the bootcamp, we were still working on other aspects of dating and the interaction at that stage. It was also the first of the day, a warmup, and came after a relentless week of endless hustle and not a lot of sleep tbh.
Beyond that, I did have major insights and learnings, and as I said, on Wednesday of that week, day 7, it all came together.
Since, I've returned, and when running errands and shit in my parent's town, I saw 2 cute women, approached both, exchanged with both, and fundamentals were solid, lots of vibing, challenging, push/pull, disqualifying (and then they qualified lol) and just briging sauce, spice. and some real energy.
I have gotten further along in my understanding and am hustling to make shit happen.
If you bust your ass in life, you will create outcomes through sheer raw effort and grit.
It is definitely an uphill struggle for sure, that's the nature of product-market fitment.
Jake, gotta be honest, I finally understood what you were saying all along. And yes, you were actually right.
You do have to learn to become very masculine if you're low SMV, how to be very charismatic, supremely confident, and how to stimulate emotions.
The moment this came together in my mind, I finally saw it. This happened through conversations with an awesome brown gamer in NYC, the Indian Warrior Uncle V (Dante told me he is my uncle rn as he's more advanced in Game). and of course, Dante himself.
As a low SMV guy, you're really down there in the overall hierarchy, and that is the dynamic that kills you. Women know, unconsciously, how they feel when a dude who is attractive in society's eyes makes them feel, and they subsequently know that isn't what's happening here, so essentially, you have to win them over pretty much. The two things that kill you as a low SMV:
-No Market, No Archetype, No Frame: The 3 fingered death punch! Within the collective female unconscious, there is an arousal template that is conditioned into them by society, media, culture, upbringing, politics, religion, etc. This is inside their biology, imprinted, and you can't do anything about it. If you don't fit this mold, which IMO, only truly applies to one group, then you are pretty much going to stack up at the bottom and there is no looksmaxxing, image improvements, style upgrades, that will ever really make a difference for you. At the absolute bottom of the world's SMV hierarhy, are men who are Brown-Brown, that is very ethnically Indian looking. There's dudes who are from my heritage, but pass as something else. My brother for instance has light skin and looks slightly arabic. So he gets a pass and is able to do pretty good. The lack of a fundamental aspect of attraction, is why none of my looks improvements did much of anything for me. And nor are they likely to as the years go by, as I'll still have no market. MOGGED.
Or am I truly mogged? No. You CAN overcome that, but you have to spar, battle, get in the ring and box with these women verbally, with humour, charisma, sexuality, teasing, challenging, and the various techniques that exist. You have to take major risks and say and do things that could kill the interaction. Essentially, fight for attraction and acknowledgement. If you are able to do so in a very cool, socially normal, and dominant way, they just start responding. I saw it time and time again.
This is why I coined certain terms:
-Just Exist Game: The reason why higher SMV men are total retards when it comes to giving advice, because they themselves have no Game and are literally just existing and closing out the ass. I wasn't aware of this, and for the first part of my journey, I learned from people running Just Exist Game and then wondered why I was getting absolutely f**king nowhere. I wasted years of my journey thinking if I just speak to girls, and improve myself, take action etc, things will work out. It pains me but lessons were learned. This does not work. Reason? No market for my product.
It's not hard to sell hot dogs outside a baseball stadium.
It IS hard to sell ice to an eskimo.
The way around it - you gotta hustle and learn to sell like a motherfucker.
This is a moment MANY low SMV males have. Dante had it about 2 years in when he was doing everything the RSD instructors were telling him, but getting terrible reactions and it was not happening for him. As he has the gift of social hyperawareness, he was able to decode the matrix, and the secrets literally lie inside Dante's brain. Very incredible shit. He is able to transmit it to you.
Which takes me to the next term:
-Level One Cockroach Males:
I also saw many examples of low SMV browns & Asians spending a small fortune on bootcamps and immersion programs, only to still be incel, and when they had a private convo with the instructor after years of effort, it was always the same shit
"...You just have bad energy, bro"
This is an example of a straight-up cockroach. They themselves are not able to help you, not able to improve your outcomes, but rather than admit this, and that they sold you a dream, they will just blame you. They are unable to understand that for the bottom 25% of men in SMV and looks, it is a totally different ball game, and they are unable to understand that with decent SMV, the arousal template within women's minds is literally programmed to find you attractive and to see you as part of the accepted attractive group.
Yup ;-)
Someone can have hundreds of lays and not understand the first aspect of how the SMP works. I have seen this a lot. There are 3 or 4 people I would describe as having a Level 10 understanding. The rest, I do not even engage, I have no time, literally.
Be aware of gas lighting and just get away from these people imo. Don't waste your time. Don't engage with them. I no longer talk about dating with these people. When it comes up, I stand up, and leave the fucking room. I leave the call. I just get the hell away from them. Do you listen to women for dating advice, and take it seriously when they tell you to Be Yourself? No. In time, they get the message, and they stop discussing it or talking about it with you. It is a no-go zone with me and if needs be I will just tell them to take it elsewhere.
There is some valuable discussion above and I will post regarding:
-Poor Product - Market Fit: Brown in Eastern Europe, not quite a death sentence, but it's close to it I won't lie. However, with Game, you can temporarily overcome these people's ignorance and show them for a moment, I am human too and I have substance, knowledge, skills, and have value to offer if you put your ignorance aside and get to know me for a second. But, yes, unless one is quite handsome, you just have the option of relentless grinding, and sometimes running into someone who, for whatever reason, is OK with getting to know you. I still got dates, though they sucked and I didn't like the women. I do not think people should remain in these locations. Consider The Bastard who stayed in Poland for 2 years, and went on almost ~100 dates to nowhere! You can still absolutely make something happen, but it will require Game, and you will need to be prepared to slap these women so astonishingly hard their socially conditioned brain pauses for a moment and recognises you are also a person. This is a grim experience and for what it does to your heart and soul, I am not sure I advise it. Perhaps if you like these women, then go for it - I don't have any preferences in this regard, I just want to be treated well.
-Nightmare Mode: It's not advisable to go where you will be in very very hostile terrain. Low SMV/unattractive people are going to be in a tough situation regardless, so it's best not to make it harder. It's best to go where it's at least workable, plenty of volume, and there is less adverse social conditioning that makes your life unnecessarily harder.
-EE Women: Completely agreed with Hedon. Having approached many hundreds, they were quite a strange breed. Some, were very nice. It wasn't that which I took issue with. I felt a deep disconnect. I never felt sparks or connection. It was always a weird and novel experience for them, that they just entertained. Nothing would come from it. I know some men find these women hot. I personally don't see it at all. I have never turned my head or thought, wow she's lovely looking. I am not attracted to them and I find their personalities and ways of being absolutely vile. Why would I waste my life speaking to women who are cold, dead, and like stone? Devoid of substance and humanity. Very rarely have I seen a woman from this part of the world smile, laugh, speak with anything other than a dead, robotic monotone, show sexuality or sensuality. This repulses me but is ultimately part of the player's journey. You have to see it all. Why is/was EE so terrible for me? My product - market fitment is extremely poor there. Nothing inside their brain can make sense of what they are being met with. Now I know Game, I am pretty confident I can make something happen, but it is a case of being in a location where you just don't agree with the views, treatment of other humans, and stuff like that. I don't agree with it. When I was seeing people act in homophobic ways in the Canary Islands, I packed my bag and left. I am not gay, but I am deeply against any discrimination. I have logged in this journal dates where women were complaining about white men and stuff like that. I got up, and left. Someone has to be the bigger man. Let it be you.
Why do others do just fine in EE?
-Good Product - Market Fit: Correct race, from the socially accepted attractive group. This is the most important thing in EE. If you have no problem with this, stay in EE. If you don't like this, then get out. I am going to get the fuck out very soon. I will fly back, have a discussion with Paw, and then fucking leave.
-Strong Game: With very strong Game, you can make it happen regardless if you are from the unacceptable group ;-) I have seen it being done. People like this, but they do exist, and they make it happen, because they're relentless, play the numbers hardcore, and slap these women with Game extremely hard until they are able to temporarily forget who they are supposed to be attracted to, and start to open up and be attracted. This is a spell, and it does fade away soon after it's cast. You'll then have to resume grinding. Don't expect retention and expect these women to feel embarrassed to be out in public with you or speaking to you at all. This would happen to me a lot. Yup...
I know this seems like a lot, but it is how it is, and what I had to learn myself from grinding away from years after being let down my conventional self-improvement.
Ultimately, there are still ways to win, but you have to give up on most ideas and concepts, and likely will arrive at the same conclusions I did: GAME. Mass approach. Looks improvements, don't really work if you have no market, but are generally a good thing to do. Profile improvements, again, don't really work as you still just attract women who see you as a beta provider bitch and you have to get inside their head and convince them otherwise.
One's time and energy is best invested in learning how to overcome obstacles and barriers. I'll write the LR from the last one, and you'll see, that took a tonne of Game to make happen man, otherwise she'd have cucked me too.
I hope this helps you understand why EE is severe cuckitude and a very hallow experience. It is not good to be in locations where your soul starts to turn cold. Leave these people to it, let them engage with the people they have preference for, and get out.
Vote with your feet. Get away.
ANYWAY
Back to work & no more theoretical discussion.
LETS WORK.
-MAC