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Thrice log. weird saturday night

Thrice said:
how do you explain the guys that got nothing out of 1000approaches? I also feel like a bluepiller who doesn't know that attraction (or lack of thereof) is created within a fraction of a second. So I feel like a cuck who's entertaining a girl when the outcome is already decided.

The numbers I got from the club were from girls who stared at me all night. I would have to approach a girl who didn't notice me to believe in game, and even then I would have to ask her if she found me attractive from the start

by the way, we're not so distant as it may seem, I do believe in something and it's "social circle game". There are this girl at the club, they are super hot and like 19yo and they are dating illegal immigrants they met within their social circle. they simply bought weed from them I think

These guys are not better looking but the girls are hot, I can send a picture if you want of a girl I find very attractive and her current boyfriend. I can't believe my life revolves around this while a girl that hot is fucking a guy that's average at best and selling weed.
What's most fucked up is that he probably think that this girl is nothing special while I get a small heart attack every time I see her lol

So we can agree there's another form of attraction, which I would call "attraction through proximity". Maybe the female brain evolved for this kind of attraction, or maybe I'm being too harsh and those guys are actually good looking?

in any case I will approach and test game. I will try to follow all the rules and not snap or rage at girls.
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Yeah social circle, situational status from selling drugs (not encouraging it btw) and specially preselection are a big factor, but those guys also tend to be decent at game or at least some aspects of it. They may suck with cold approach but they are decent with girls they already know. Maybe they aren't great at being fun but they are decent at not trying hard , so they stick around, don't make noticeably beta mistakes, maybe they know a move or two that creates sexual tension (eye contact, being close, talking to the girl's ear), play for the long term instead of trying to close right away, and end up getting the girl.

Most guys in the club scene have better social skills than guys on the internet and some of them pull hotter girls than most puas. Yes there's the social circle factor, but they also have better vibe and better social intuition. They may even do push pull teasing, roleplays and game techniques but in an unconscious way.

Just because they don't cold approach and don't read game books doesn't mean they don't have game.

The problem is these two things (social circle and social skills) correlate a lot so it's hard to know whether it's just social circle or there's something more to it.

But I've also met very average or even ugly short and fat guys without these type of nightlife jobs or status that get attention from very hot girls just by having a social circle and social skills.

There's definitely skill involved in this game, just not the type of exclusively analytical skill that most guys entering game would hope for. It's all still about "looks" in a way, just not necessarily about physical appeareance, but it's still very shallow, being perceived in a certain way, and not about "real" connection or being actually high value and interesting.
 
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Old friend of mine, ugly teeth, looks like 15y old from body cuz he is so skinny and short, has childhood rheumatism, no jaw, hands and knees look weird, swollen due to that disease, list goes on.

He went to a lake to swim and drink with his father. Got drunk, messed around and got laid to 30v old hot blond dancer girl from different city in her tent on that day, next to that girl family tent. I was fucking mindblown.

Unfortunately he is drug addict, no job, tried to kill himself and quite fucked up actually. He has been messing around since 15v so he has tons of fucked up stories.

But what I've learned from that guy is...his storytelling is beoynd and above everything else, I could listen to his stories all day long. He has really good empathy as well and knows how to listen. Also cuz he is so fucked up, he makes jokes about everything. He got kidnapped and tortured and when he was telling me that, he made bunch of jokes even though it was horrifying. I had no choice but to laugh a lot.

I have good looks as well but my results with girls are not that good. It must come to lack of good social skills. Lack of banter, lack of funny stories, lack of situational awareness
 
Today i got my first testosterone injection, 50mg test enanthate. I feel like an adult who's able to make big decisions. i like what I did, found low levels, and went for it. I talked with my endo yesterday started TRT today without overthinking

one of the reasons I'm stuck is because I'm an overthinker, this shit has to stop. Now TRT is out of the way so I can focus on the other goals
 
Thrice said:
Today i got my first testosterone injection, 50mg test enanthate. I feel like an adult who's able to make big decisions. i like what I did, found low levels, and went for it. I talked with my endo yesterday started TRT today without overthinking

one of the reasons I'm stuck is because I'm an overthinker, this shit has to stop. Now TRT is out of the way so I can focus on the other goals
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SUPERB

This is the action of a mature, put together man

Keep this up

Now, get more granular about your goals

What 2 things, if you could achieve this year, would make this year a success?

-R
 
shitty unproductive week. got angry at the club got wasted, and ended up drinking too much. i saw a girl spitting on a guy so I chased her and wanted to beat her up, this bitch called the police saying "Please save me I'm a girl I'm in danger" while just 30 seconds before she was swearing and cursing everyone like a gangster lol they know how to use their victim status strategically

there's this cute girl, she's always super elegant, I was a dick to this girl the entire night, I take her hand and don't let her go while she keeps pulling to free herself...sounds creepy af but she was having a lot of fun the entire night and laughing...hilarious. I told her I find her very sexy, she smiled and said thank you...her boyfriend was next to us wtf

the drinking ruined my mood for the entire week, from Monday on I started waking up very late, which caused me to work more hours during the evening to compensate

I wake up 11am, fork till 5pm, rest for an hour and I go deliver pizza from 6 pm to 10 pm
no time to practice singing or lift weights, it's a shame because I just started testosterone so I should lift weights now that I have an edge

I want to do something different this summer, I want to get used to traveling, I'm thinking about a big European city like Krakow, but at the same time it feels bad to sacrifice the beach

I have no idea I need advice, I need a place where I can practice night game and use Tinder with good volume
if this place has a beach it's a bonus
I'm thinking Germany, Amsterdam, and Sweden, I like nordic and slavic girls and I want to test my SMV with this type of girl...they should like dark-skinned guys because local men are very white and not that masculine I think

this easiest choice would be Italian cities like Rimini or Riccione , close to home, don't have to take the airplane and there's plenty of girls from northern Europe...but it feels wrong to stay in my comfort zone, I want to travel for the first time. I'm also already close to these areas and I'm not getting matches with these tourists so

I need to decide now because because booking later will be more expensive

if you have a place and want me to hang out with you let me if you want to host me
 
Thrice said:
i saw a girl spitting on a guy so I chased her and wanted to beat her up, this bitch called the police saying "Please save me I'm a girl I'm in danger" while just 30 seconds before she was swearing and cursing everyone like a gangster
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Thrice this is not the first time you've wrote about aggressive, women hating behavior. If this happens again, we are going to have to ban you. It's not something we can accept or condone within the community.

You hold a lot of anger and resentment towards women. I encourage you to seek some support with therapist or even just a mature guy. You'll never have the success you seek with them until this is sorted.
 
Was trying to figure out where to book and i just remembered radicals articles about hostels. In the article he talks about hostels beign ideal for the 18-25 only because many of them have an age limit.
Should i try anyway at 36? At first i thought he was taking about getting laid with tinder, just after reading the full article i realised he was talking about getting laid with girls he met in the hostel itself

Don't know if hostels that are open to older people have interesting girls to meet
 
Thrice said:
Was trying to figure out where to book and i just remembered radicals articles about hostels. In the article he talks about hostels beign ideal for the 18-25 only because many of them have an age limit.
Should i try anyway at 36? At first i thought he was taking about getting laid with tinder, just after reading the full article i realised he was talking about getting laid with girls he met in the hostel itself

Don't know if hostels that are open to older people have interesting girls to meet
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At many hostels Ive stayed at there were guys aged 30-40 and Ive seen them get girls. As long as your vibe isnt off no one cares about age in hostels.
 
Perseus said:
At many hostels Ive stayed at there were guys aged 30-40 and Ive seen them get girls. As long as your vibe isnt off no one cares about age in hostels.
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some hostels are called youth hostel, will have to try and see thanks.

all it took is one weekend of heavy drinking for my mental health to go to shit. I'm not so positive anymore.
I waste time looking for ragebait on reddit and forums, I've read a female user saying "I'm glad as hell I dated a ton when I was young I've learned a lot" and I felt this pain across my head and chest, like a shockwave.
I feel that woman are having the time of their life in western societies and would like man to wake up. I would like for man to know that all woman around us are fucking and million of man live a life of desperate loneliness.
It's painfully for me to know that every year millions of guys like me are created by receiving their first rejections at 15, while girls are having their first sexual experiences with the small percentage of guys they find attractive.

There's no reason to put on the pedestal a group of people that find you repulsive and yet the average guy is doing just that.
I get unmatched for no reason, I feel rejected and not important. Man invented technologies just for woman to make us feel unlovable and undesired. Woman need to feel loved and desired too, this means they unmatch because are not starving for touch and intimacy and they know they can keep getting it in the future.

Man need to feel loved and desired too but rejection is woman favourite sports. When i'm in pain I dream about man waking up and realising they've been fed bullshit about the non existent patriarchy and woman oppression.

Man are the most evolved and lethal creatures in the world, yet are easily brainwashed when it comes to woman. This shows you how much man love woman. From the caves to the moon, but zombified when it comes to woman nature.

This is the worst summer in Italy, it's raining everyday so it's another good reason to visit some European cities. Knowing it's a shitty summer season will ease the pain of not being in the beach.

I'm thinking of quitting TRT and do a proper test cycle to be honest, we only have one life and I ask myself, what i'm doing here? Spinning my wheels

If you look at how woman treat me it's clear I have to improve my looks, I have a good jawline at 15% bf, this mean I will have even a better face at 10% bf adding 5kg of muscle

mental health is real, the guys here doing hundred of approaches have good baseline mental health, and even for them recieving all that negative feedback is painfully. If I can avoid it why not

i'm happy I met new friends, I like those fucked up guys, I never received anything from society. The only thing I received is bullshit about love and looks don't matter stuff and woman like nice guys, so when I grew up and find out the truth it ruined my mental health

I don't care if the guys at tekno club use drugs, they are better than the average person in many ways, side bonus the girls are hot, young and don't do drugs, most of them don't even drink

another side bonus you start with what you can get and after that you can move to other social circles

outside the club some girls asked me for cigarettes and a ride home, so having a car and cigarette actually helps. I need to have more money to improve my situation, it matters a lot. I still don't have a full sleeve tattoo because I don't have the money for example

I hope to get attractive girls so I can undo years of damage, there's many very healthy and balanced redpilled guys, I can become one of them

the goal for next weekend is to approach at least 5 girls
 
Bman said:
Thrice this is not the first time you've wrote about aggressive, women hating behavior. If this happens again, we are going to have to ban you. It's not something we can accept or condone within the community.

You hold a lot of anger and resentment towards women. I encourage you to seek some support with therapist or even just a mature guy. You'll never have the success you seek with them until this is sorted.
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@Thrice

You can't ignore Bman dude

He is a moderator here, which means, like it or not, he is trusted to run this community and you have to accept his moderation

What is your response to what he says?

Remember - you know I care about you deeply, have FOR YEARS, you've also helped me

Let us be better, OK?
 
Man your looks are not the problem. You're good looking.

Improve your mental health and social circle, it will help 100x more than a tattoo or more muscle.

Please don't start roids. It will just add to your problems
 
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MakingAComeback said:
Let us be better, OK?
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Ok i understand

@Bman ok won't do it again

@hush yeah of course I'm building a social circle and i could say i already have one. Only the girls are missing. Problem is some of this girls are a bit creeped out, but the new girls that i never stalked on ig give me ios. Problem is i don't recieve many of them and improving looks increases the number of yes girls

I think tattoos muscles and social circle improve SMV in the same way

When i did the fake profile with a model most girls wanted to fuck same day. With my real pictures happened 2 times out of 400 matches

I see myself slaying with muscle and at 10%bf. Will keep working on social circles and pics. Now I'm lifting with way more motivation knowing I'm on trt. Will see if trt alone can get me at 10bf
 
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Friday night was painful, i was at this bar and it was packed with attractive girls. They were all in groups, difficult to approach. I didn't want to drink but had to feel comfortable. I don't like the fact that I have to drink to feel comfortable, I bought phenibut but didn't work in the way Chris from GLL talked about. I'm waiting for another order from china, this brand should be more powerful so will see.

In terms of social circle I'm meeting a lot of guys but they don't approach, they just stand at the side, literally at the opposite side of where the girls are. It's still good that I have guys to go out with. I didn't really find any like-minded who wants to approach, it's always a pain in the ass with normies. Everything would be 100x better with one like minded guy.
The guy I was with was making comments about me moving too much and about not liking the bar, I was really in a bad mood/angry. Just looking at all those girls made me angry. I was thinking of moving to a big city the next day out of anger.

I have to give it time and remember that my first proper tinder lay was in April and I just started going out very recently.

I can say I'm making friends, what I'm missing is girls. The plan is to fuck at least one hottie from Tekno clubs, and this plan didn't fail yet so no reason to move immediately. I have to give it a bit more time. I also have to stay here to optimize TRT, the doctor said the first 3 months are crucial to find the right testosterone dose.

If I move now all I will be able to do is deliver pizza to pay for a room, so I think it's better to stay here a bit more until I optimize tinder, Instagram, and social circle. If I move I will have to do these things in a worse situation.

To be honest I think good Instagram is crucial for social circle game.

So I decided I'm not going hostel hopping in august but I will go work as a waiter in some hotel seaside in places like Rimini, Milano Marittima. I worked as a waiter there 10 years ago. I wasn't lookmaxed but I still had fun. It's a very tiring job but the food is great and free, and the wine/beverages too. The accommodation in the Hotel is free too of course.
As a waiter you just finish work, eat the same top-shelf food that the hotel's clients ate but for free, take a shower and go out and you find yourself walking between thousands of British/German/French girls.
If 10 years ago I wasn't able to do anything, this time I can night game, beach game(lol), try to pull a client in the hotel (it happens often), and of course tinder.

It will also be a good opportunity to record myself approaching in English and have the experienced guys give me advice.

When I was at work before I saw a girl doing the split-second head turn away they do when they're interested, it's really a split second but I noticed. 10 minutes later she stared at me for 10 seconds, I looked at her without looking down, and I broke eye contact just because the boss called me.

I was too much of a pussy to approach. She was with her friends bla bla bla but the truth is I pussied out.

The last time a girl looked at me like that was last summer, a year ago. I ended up approaching the girl and getting the number.
If this type of IOI's are so clear then I'm just not good looking enough to get it often. It's once every 12 months.
It also means that I don't have to be hard on myself for Friday because yes, I didn't approach, but none of the girls gave me that IOI.

If I could get to 10bf by adding 10pounds of muscle I think things would change a lot. Will see what adventures I can come up with in august. I'm confident I will be able to make something happen.
 
I’ve used Phenibut. You could play with the dose, carefully of course, but everybody responds differently. Personally, I do get a sense of euphoria and music definitely sounds better, but it doesn’t really help me that much with approach anxiety. I also find alcohol does not help me that much either. Anyway, ime it’s not a silver bullet for approach anxiety but almost a non-factor. Although other people may have different experiences. Very fun substance, but you have to be careful with it.
 
I'm absolutely devastated, the summer is over, and I'm at zero lays. I feel like what could have been my best, enjoyable years are far behind me at 36. I tried tinder with boosts because a huge number of foreign girls in Italy, i wasted money on boosts just to get useless matches.

They treat like a lesser unimportant being, i ask them out, and they're like "when", "i will think about it", "i will let you know".

Some girls give me whatsup and stop answering after I ask them out. They absolutely don't care. They have sexual power and man easily available, so they're like all chill and in no hurry while I'm fighting for sex and affection.

This is all killing me inside, I'm not comfortable even looking at young girls having fun. The fact that they don't need us like we need them. Also, man create a technology to bring people together and women use it to get top 1% man.

Sometimes I don't sleep at night, I just lay in bed asking myself how tinder didn't red pill the entire male population.



When they're nice, I just think it's because my friend passes the look trash hold, and I think of how aggressive they would be if my friend wasn't handsome.





I feel trapped, I'm not a normie, but I'm not a successful non normie either.



Now I'm really saving money for a car and furniture for the house. I made new friends but no lays from social circle yet. I met new girls and wasn't able to stay in touch with them because my ig sucks. Another goal is to take good pictures and create a good ig i can give to girls. I have to look like a cool guy with hobbies and friends and my current ig is not there yet.

I'm working 2 jobs now because I really think a car is needed.
 
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