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Thrice log. weird saturday night

Thrice said:
how do you explain the guys that got nothing out of 1000approaches?
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Which guys? It depends on the guy in question. There are a ton of factors involved. Looks are one of them, but they're not everything.

Sometimes you will waste time in clubs with girls just looking for validation, but this happens to all guys, even good looking ones.

Where Game makes a difference is on the edges. And there are many edges.
 
pancakemouse said:
Which guys?
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squilliam for example
MakingAComeback said:
no longer want a wife and kids.
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sad you had to change goals, but there are many reasons to not want wife and kids anyway. Fewer and fewer men. are willing to take that risk.
MakingAComeback said:
They are literally 90% of your dating success.
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I agree and that's why I want to go all in with my lookmaxing, I want to get 10% body fat. I took another redpill, the idea that you van build a good physique natural in your 30's and with bad genetics...bullshit. You just can't.
I will visit my endo on Wednesday and decide if I want to go for trt or just do a cycle

I can't die before knowing what I can get with a bit more muscle,10% bf and a nice full sleeve tattoo.
doing things my way has already paid off, I'm a bit fucked in the head but not exactly stupid

for being 36 I look younger and got some success, either I double down on the lookmaxing road
or become complacent with just 4 Tinder lays until I turn 40.

lower body fat, thicker nack, and my jawline will look way better
All I need now is learn to smile and get good tinder/ig pics, I can't believe I'm so retarded I still didn't do that

https://imgur.com/a/soJc1Nn
Squilliam said:
his approach does matter.
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you know my personality by now, I'm not sure if doing 800 approaches like you will improve my mindset and teach me game or completely ruin what is left of my mental health. 800 approaches = 800 negative feedbacks. I don't know what to think about this and if it's good for our brain.
we know exposure to pain makes us more resilient, but constant negative feedback also changes our brain structure. Again I don't know what to think about this.

i prefer to hardcore look maxing route so I can get more and hotter yes girls. Once I feel I've healed enough I will start day gaming like you
 
> a girl that hot is fucking a guy that's average at best and selling weed.

Have you considered trying to sell weed yourself? Not to that girl specifically, just friends of friends in this social circle you seem to be becoming a part of
 
Dude the thing is, with you, you genuinely have the looks.

You realise I am way worse looking than you, and have fucked quite a few girls right?

And I am gonna break up with a chick who is a former web cam model because I don't want to be with her

With looks, yes, if you improve them, abso-fucking-lutely, your outcomes will improve

Undeniable, it's a proven fact

But, the thing is, we know when a guy is not making the most of what he's got. In your case, guys who look like you, are doing pretty well with chicks. For you, man. it's really a head thing. And frankly speaking, you'd need to get a lot of success, get lots of leads, and live the lifestyle for a while, going at it pretty hard, to gain enough real reference experiences to know, shit, there are some chicks who really like me

Yeah, it was sad I had to change my goals, only for a week or two. I got over it after that man, I promise you. And I am not in any way mad, or salty, it was for the best that I was mature enough to move on from that. It's not that there is something wrong with me, or I am a bad guy, it's just not on the cards anymore and it is not something I worry about any longer because I tried very hard for many years, and came to peace with it all.

I know if I put my brain in your head, and you had:

-Serious drive, work ethic, consistency, performance
-Unwavering and resolute determination to do whatever the fuck it takes to win

...You'd 10 x your outcomes.

And when I am able to raise my looks, to get maybe 1-1.5 points under yours, hell, that might be a stretch, I'd put you 2 points higher than me in looks to be honest - you'll see my outcomes shoot up too.

In this game, to save your own time, you really have to work on the highest ROI activities. For you, it ain't looks, because you are already good looking (congrats, you worked hard, and I am beyond proud of you). You are 36 so you just can't be wasting precious years of self improvement.

For yourself, you'd need to improve inner and outer game to get your outcomes improved.

Remember, I fixate on looks a lot, NOWADAYS - I can get laid, and all that dude. I have a specific sticking point, which is QUALITY. And quality problems, cannot be improved by inner and outer game unfortunately, you have to literally improve your own quality, and then you can attract better. So a guy who is a 4 or 5 is gonna have to become a 6 or 6.5.

I think a practical exercise, would be rather than us telling you want to think, getting you to logically process what you think is keeping you at your current level.


What do you think it is?

What do you think your biggest sticking point overall has been?

What, if we could fix in the next 90 days, would you put front and centre?

Note: I support you increasing your low testosterone, and you improving your physique. This is AWESOME. And it will improve your results.

-MAC
 
LArcher said:
> a girl that hot is fucking a guy that's average at best and selling weed.

Have you considered trying to sell weed yourself? Not to that girl specifically, just friends of friends in this social circle you seem to be becoming a part of
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Which would be illegal, and against the rules of this forum to talk about.

Warning sent. Reason: encouraging illegal activity.

Don't talk about anything illegal again. We ban accounts that do this.

-MAC
 
Thrice said:
how do you explain the guys that got nothing out of 1000approaches? I also feel like a bluepiller who doesn't know that attraction (or lack of thereof) is created within a fraction of a second. So I feel like a cuck who's entertaining a girl when the outcome is already decided.

The numbers I got from the club were from girls who stared at me all night. I would have to approach a girl who didn't notice me to believe in game, and even then I would have to ask her if she found me attractive from the start

by the way, we're not so distant as it may seem, I do believe in something and it's "social circle game". There are this girl at the club, they are super hot and like 19yo and they are dating illegal immigrants they met within their social circle. they simply bought weed from them I think

These guys are not better looking but the girls are hot, I can send a picture if you want of a girl I find very attractive and her current boyfriend. I can't believe my life revolves around this while a girl that hot is fucking a guy that's average at best and selling weed.
What's most fucked up is that he probably think that this girl is nothing special while I get a small heart attack every time I see her lol

So we can agree there's another form of attraction, which I would call "attraction through proximity". Maybe the female brain evolved for this kind of attraction, or maybe I'm being too harsh and those guys are actually good looking?

in any case I will approach and test game. I will try to follow all the rules and not snap or rage at girls.
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Yeah social circle, situational status from selling drugs (not encouraging it btw) and specially preselection are a big factor, but those guys also tend to be decent at game or at least some aspects of it. They may suck with cold approach but they are decent with girls they already know. Maybe they aren't great at being fun but they are decent at not trying hard , so they stick around, don't make noticeably beta mistakes, maybe they know a move or two that creates sexual tension (eye contact, being close, talking to the girl's ear), play for the long term instead of trying to close right away, and end up getting the girl.

Most guys in the club scene have better social skills than guys on the internet and some of them pull hotter girls than most puas. Yes there's the social circle factor, but they also have better vibe and better social intuition. They may even do push pull teasing, roleplays and game techniques but in an unconscious way.

Just because they don't cold approach and don't read game books doesn't mean they don't have game.

The problem is these two things (social circle and social skills) correlate a lot so it's hard to know whether it's just social circle or there's something more to it.

But I've also met very average or even ugly short and fat guys without these type of nightlife jobs or status that get attention from very hot girls just by having a social circle and social skills.

There's definitely skill involved in this game, just not the type of exclusively analytical skill that most guys entering game would hope for. It's all still about "looks" in a way, just not necessarily about physical appeareance, but it's still very shallow, being perceived in a certain way, and not about "real" connection or being actually high value and interesting.
 
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Old friend of mine, ugly teeth, looks like 15y old from body cuz he is so skinny and short, has childhood rheumatism, no jaw, hands and knees look weird, swollen due to that disease, list goes on.

He went to a lake to swim and drink with his father. Got drunk, messed around and got laid to 30v old hot blond dancer girl from different city in her tent on that day, next to that girl family tent. I was fucking mindblown.

Unfortunately he is drug addict, no job, tried to kill himself and quite fucked up actually. He has been messing around since 15v so he has tons of fucked up stories.

But what I've learned from that guy is...his storytelling is beoynd and above everything else, I could listen to his stories all day long. He has really good empathy as well and knows how to listen. Also cuz he is so fucked up, he makes jokes about everything. He got kidnapped and tortured and when he was telling me that, he made bunch of jokes even though it was horrifying. I had no choice but to laugh a lot.

I have good looks as well but my results with girls are not that good. It must come to lack of good social skills. Lack of banter, lack of funny stories, lack of situational awareness
 
Today i got my first testosterone injection, 50mg test enanthate. I feel like an adult who's able to make big decisions. i like what I did, found low levels, and went for it. I talked with my endo yesterday started TRT today without overthinking

one of the reasons I'm stuck is because I'm an overthinker, this shit has to stop. Now TRT is out of the way so I can focus on the other goals
 
Thrice said:
Today i got my first testosterone injection, 50mg test enanthate. I feel like an adult who's able to make big decisions. i like what I did, found low levels, and went for it. I talked with my endo yesterday started TRT today without overthinking

one of the reasons I'm stuck is because I'm an overthinker, this shit has to stop. Now TRT is out of the way so I can focus on the other goals
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SUPERB

This is the action of a mature, put together man

Keep this up

Now, get more granular about your goals

What 2 things, if you could achieve this year, would make this year a success?

-R
 
shitty unproductive week. got angry at the club got wasted, and ended up drinking too much. i saw a girl spitting on a guy so I chased her and wanted to beat her up, this bitch called the police saying "Please save me I'm a girl I'm in danger" while just 30 seconds before she was swearing and cursing everyone like a gangster lol they know how to use their victim status strategically

there's this cute girl, she's always super elegant, I was a dick to this girl the entire night, I take her hand and don't let her go while she keeps pulling to free herself...sounds creepy af but she was having a lot of fun the entire night and laughing...hilarious. I told her I find her very sexy, she smiled and said thank you...her boyfriend was next to us wtf

the drinking ruined my mood for the entire week, from Monday on I started waking up very late, which caused me to work more hours during the evening to compensate

I wake up 11am, fork till 5pm, rest for an hour and I go deliver pizza from 6 pm to 10 pm
no time to practice singing or lift weights, it's a shame because I just started testosterone so I should lift weights now that I have an edge

I want to do something different this summer, I want to get used to traveling, I'm thinking about a big European city like Krakow, but at the same time it feels bad to sacrifice the beach

I have no idea I need advice, I need a place where I can practice night game and use Tinder with good volume
if this place has a beach it's a bonus
I'm thinking Germany, Amsterdam, and Sweden, I like nordic and slavic girls and I want to test my SMV with this type of girl...they should like dark-skinned guys because local men are very white and not that masculine I think

this easiest choice would be Italian cities like Rimini or Riccione , close to home, don't have to take the airplane and there's plenty of girls from northern Europe...but it feels wrong to stay in my comfort zone, I want to travel for the first time. I'm also already close to these areas and I'm not getting matches with these tourists so

I need to decide now because because booking later will be more expensive

if you have a place and want me to hang out with you let me if you want to host me
 
Thrice said:
i saw a girl spitting on a guy so I chased her and wanted to beat her up, this bitch called the police saying "Please save me I'm a girl I'm in danger" while just 30 seconds before she was swearing and cursing everyone like a gangster
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Thrice this is not the first time you've wrote about aggressive, women hating behavior. If this happens again, we are going to have to ban you. It's not something we can accept or condone within the community.

You hold a lot of anger and resentment towards women. I encourage you to seek some support with therapist or even just a mature guy. You'll never have the success you seek with them until this is sorted.
 
Was trying to figure out where to book and i just remembered radicals articles about hostels. In the article he talks about hostels beign ideal for the 18-25 only because many of them have an age limit.
Should i try anyway at 36? At first i thought he was taking about getting laid with tinder, just after reading the full article i realised he was talking about getting laid with girls he met in the hostel itself

Don't know if hostels that are open to older people have interesting girls to meet
 
Thrice said:
Was trying to figure out where to book and i just remembered radicals articles about hostels. In the article he talks about hostels beign ideal for the 18-25 only because many of them have an age limit.
Should i try anyway at 36? At first i thought he was taking about getting laid with tinder, just after reading the full article i realised he was talking about getting laid with girls he met in the hostel itself

Don't know if hostels that are open to older people have interesting girls to meet
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At many hostels Ive stayed at there were guys aged 30-40 and Ive seen them get girls. As long as your vibe isnt off no one cares about age in hostels.
 
Perseus said:
At many hostels Ive stayed at there were guys aged 30-40 and Ive seen them get girls. As long as your vibe isnt off no one cares about age in hostels.
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some hostels are called youth hostel, will have to try and see thanks.

all it took is one weekend of heavy drinking for my mental health to go to shit. I'm not so positive anymore.
I waste time looking for ragebait on reddit and forums, I've read a female user saying "I'm glad as hell I dated a ton when I was young I've learned a lot" and I felt this pain across my head and chest, like a shockwave.
I feel that woman are having the time of their life in western societies and would like man to wake up. I would like for man to know that all woman around us are fucking and million of man live a life of desperate loneliness.
It's painfully for me to know that every year millions of guys like me are created by receiving their first rejections at 15, while girls are having their first sexual experiences with the small percentage of guys they find attractive.

There's no reason to put on the pedestal a group of people that find you repulsive and yet the average guy is doing just that.
I get unmatched for no reason, I feel rejected and not important. Man invented technologies just for woman to make us feel unlovable and undesired. Woman need to feel loved and desired too, this means they unmatch because are not starving for touch and intimacy and they know they can keep getting it in the future.

Man need to feel loved and desired too but rejection is woman favourite sports. When i'm in pain I dream about man waking up and realising they've been fed bullshit about the non existent patriarchy and woman oppression.

Man are the most evolved and lethal creatures in the world, yet are easily brainwashed when it comes to woman. This shows you how much man love woman. From the caves to the moon, but zombified when it comes to woman nature.

This is the worst summer in Italy, it's raining everyday so it's another good reason to visit some European cities. Knowing it's a shitty summer season will ease the pain of not being in the beach.

I'm thinking of quitting TRT and do a proper test cycle to be honest, we only have one life and I ask myself, what i'm doing here? Spinning my wheels

If you look at how woman treat me it's clear I have to improve my looks, I have a good jawline at 15% bf, this mean I will have even a better face at 10% bf adding 5kg of muscle

mental health is real, the guys here doing hundred of approaches have good baseline mental health, and even for them recieving all that negative feedback is painfully. If I can avoid it why not

i'm happy I met new friends, I like those fucked up guys, I never received anything from society. The only thing I received is bullshit about love and looks don't matter stuff and woman like nice guys, so when I grew up and find out the truth it ruined my mental health

I don't care if the guys at tekno club use drugs, they are better than the average person in many ways, side bonus the girls are hot, young and don't do drugs, most of them don't even drink

another side bonus you start with what you can get and after that you can move to other social circles

outside the club some girls asked me for cigarettes and a ride home, so having a car and cigarette actually helps. I need to have more money to improve my situation, it matters a lot. I still don't have a full sleeve tattoo because I don't have the money for example

I hope to get attractive girls so I can undo years of damage, there's many very healthy and balanced redpilled guys, I can become one of them

the goal for next weekend is to approach at least 5 girls
 
Bman said:
Thrice this is not the first time you've wrote about aggressive, women hating behavior. If this happens again, we are going to have to ban you. It's not something we can accept or condone within the community.

You hold a lot of anger and resentment towards women. I encourage you to seek some support with therapist or even just a mature guy. You'll never have the success you seek with them until this is sorted.
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@Thrice

You can't ignore Bman dude

He is a moderator here, which means, like it or not, he is trusted to run this community and you have to accept his moderation

What is your response to what he says?

Remember - you know I care about you deeply, have FOR YEARS, you've also helped me

Let us be better, OK?
 
Man your looks are not the problem. You're good looking.

Improve your mental health and social circle, it will help 100x more than a tattoo or more muscle.

Please don't start roids. It will just add to your problems
 
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MakingAComeback said:
Let us be better, OK?
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Ok i understand

@Bman ok won't do it again

@hush yeah of course I'm building a social circle and i could say i already have one. Only the girls are missing. Problem is some of this girls are a bit creeped out, but the new girls that i never stalked on ig give me ios. Problem is i don't recieve many of them and improving looks increases the number of yes girls

I think tattoos muscles and social circle improve SMV in the same way

When i did the fake profile with a model most girls wanted to fuck same day. With my real pictures happened 2 times out of 400 matches

I see myself slaying with muscle and at 10%bf. Will keep working on social circles and pics. Now I'm lifting with way more motivation knowing I'm on trt. Will see if trt alone can get me at 10bf
 
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