Sisyphus
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- Nov 26, 2020
I'm aware of this. The starving guitar player will run laps on me. But he'll be a starving guitar player. And I'll work on something else that I believe brings me a better future (location independent middle class income doing something that I find interesting or see myself doing long term and not for money only). I do it for its own sake and for my own values.You should make money obviously but it's a persistent lie, borne from ignorance and lack of experience, that making money will help with getting girls.
You need enough money for your own place to stay, and enough time to hit on girls. That is enough.
Obviously you need money in life. But not for girls.
I got started early. Nightgame at 15. Then started having success at 18 as a broke college student. But college = time + proximity to girls and I had 3 years of going out, learning "game" and socializing under my belt.
Then got a job and I remember thinking, "now that I have my own apartment as opposed to shitty student accommodation, I'm going to flex on all the students living here and swim in pussy."
Not really. I mean, I got my harem lol but not because I lived in an apartment and had a steady job.
I got my first harem of 3 girls I saw weekly when I still shared a bathroom with 5 other people and slept in a one-person bed.
Somewhere along the development of this "subculture", when it went from PUA to "red pill", it became fashionable to advise guys to "get your shit together" before you think about dating and it results in guys slaving away their 20s and 30s trying to get a career, money, etc. and then they have the fucking apartment and the car and they get lapped by the starving artist playing guitar at the local pub.
It's more attractive to be a starving guitar player than it is to be an accountant making $50K or whatever.
Obviously things change on the extreme ends when you actually have an insane lifestyle. But for guys in the middle, going from 30K per year to 50K is not going to change a single thing, unless you specifically use that money to either get more free time (most guys, OTOH, start spending MORE time on their career/biz as they make more money) or get an apartment in a better location (which costs a lot more so guys are hesitant to do this)
Point being, and this post is a bit rushed, more money is good for its own sake but it will not help with girls. Just so you know.
In fact, telling girls about my job/biz tends to have the opposite effect where instead of them categorizing me as a scumbag playboy that will give them some orgasms then fuck off, they put me in the provider bucket and withhold sex as they think it will retain me. So paradoxically in some ways it's even worse.
All I'm saying here is, having a stable job is not sexy to women. They simply don't respond to that. It's either starving artist/poor club promoter/degen drug dealer or millionaire. The guys in the middle get fleeced.
I said in some posts above that I'm aware women prefer "loser" bartender with no long term future than guy earning comfortable six figures. I'm aware also that it's not the case that bad boy is better than "solid guy" only for one night stands. The asshole player also has benefits for retention. But there are confounding elements with this. Certain professions screen for personality types that happen to be more attractive to women (bartender screens for social skills, musician/hippie screens for creativity and not giving a fuck attitude, etc.)
But I'm also aware that I don't have to adapt my life so I have better chances with women. As much as I want to have a hot girlfriend or hot plates, there other things I believe are more important, like supporting my family, being able to afford having a kid, etc.
Also, the point of MAC post was working on your life first so you can afford a player lifestyle in the first place, hence why he mentioned Scotty or Chris living off their parents to do the full time pick up thing(although in the case of Chris I think he supported himself through personal training and selling supplements).
Finally, I think there's something about "getting your shit together" that might be attractive for women in the long term for more intangible reasons. It's definitely not a matter of saying "I earn more than this guy so women will be more attracted to me", but more about your overall psychological/spiritual development. It goes beyond the financial/employment aspect, and encompasses very little things, like your social skills and the way you relate to other men, your competitive drive, your ability to figure things out (even little things like fixing the kitchen sink).
It's about being a man that can set aside pleasure, including women, in order to do what needs to be done. Although this is just a conjecture, I might be off mark here.
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