Ali's Log

The high end camera stuff is really not needed like it used to be if you have a relatively new smartphone. The real issue is just taking tons of pictures all the time, all the time, then filtering. Cell phone camera makes that possible, the high end cameras are just so clunky that unless youre doing a full photoshoot with it the juice isnt worth the squeeze. I would get a remote shutter bluetooth device, and a tripod that works with phone and camera both.

Sending like without a message on hinge is a waste of a like.
 
Zug said:
Sending like without a message on hinge is a waste of a like.
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I disagree. I don't send messages with any of my likes and I still get plenty of matches. To me it's not worth the extra effort when most of those girls will write me off for looks/profile/other reasons anyways.

But I guess on free hinge that makes more sense since you only get 8 likes per day
 
ProgressEvolution said:
Do you think it's worth messaging if I just copy this message with the like "Hey, you’re cute. I’m Ali. What're you up to?"
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No. Don't use that opener period. Andy's text game from the guide is awful. I'm not great with openers but I can tell you with certainty that you shouldn't use that one.

Girls have tons of matches. "Hey, you're cute" is what the 50 other thirsty dudes in her inbox also said. Try to be a bit more unique, and attention grabbing.
 
Squilliam said:
Zug said:
Sending like without a message on hinge is a waste of a like.
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I disagree. I don't send messages with any of my likes and I still get plenty of matches. To me it's not worth the extra effort when most of those girls will write me off for looks/profile/other reasons anyways.

But I guess on free hinge that makes more sense since you only get 8 likes per day
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This is blackpill shit again. Its not extra effort, you can come up with blueprints and have them saved as keyboard shortcuts. Get a girl to show you her Hinge with 400 likes where she is only scrolling through her likes. Try to quickly pick out the "good" profiles from those 400. Its impossible, its like scrolling through identical grains of stand. All the messages are the same, all the guys look the same, all the bios are the same. Some guys are more attractive than others, but very very few guys are "THAT" attractive. Marketing matters, commercials matter, first impressions matter. Skip it if you want, but stop justifying it.
 
ProgressEvolution said:
Squilliam said:
I disagree. I don't send messages with any of my likes and I still get plenty of matches. To me it's not worth the extra effort when most of those girls will write me off for looks/profile/other reasons anyways.

But I guess on free hinge that makes more sense since you only get 8 likes per day
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Do you think it's worth messaging if I just copy this message with the like "Hey, you’re cute. I’m Ali. What're you up to?"
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No, you need to stand out, not be a carbon copy. Also, if you give validation in the opener, she literally has no reason to reply. She already got a win, she doesn't need anything else. Andy's website changed my life, but his text game is not good. I've written some stuff on texting in the past you can look through my post history.
 
Zug said:
This is blackpill shit again. Its not extra effort, you can come up with blueprints and have them saved as keyboard shortcuts. Get a girl to show you her Hinge with 400 likes where she is only scrolling through her likes. Try to quickly pick out the "good" profiles from those 400. Its impossible, its like scrolling through identical grains of stand. All the messages are the same, all the guys look the same, all the bios are the same. Some guys are more attractive than others, but very very few guys are "THAT" attractive. Marketing matters, commercials matter, first impressions matter. Skip it if you want, but stop justifying it.
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Oh I do the shortcut thing for messaging. It's helpful. I just find it more efficient to do things this way. Also I'm pretty sure that girls only get shown one like at a time on free hinge.

My first prompt is pretty attention grabbing (has an innuendo) and unique. Girls regularly message me first about it.

It's simply more efficient. I guess if you're using canned lines, okay, fine, but there's absolutely no way I'm coming up with a unique message for every single profile I swipe on. That's a huge waste of time and effort.

And as a result I'm pretty satisfied with the matches I get. As you probably know from my log, my issue is not getting dates, but converting them
 
Zug said:
Squilliam said:
I disagree. I don't send messages with any of my likes and I still get plenty of matches. To me it's not worth the extra effort when most of those girls will write me off for looks/profile/other reasons anyways.

But I guess on free hinge that makes more sense since you only get 8 likes per day
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This is blackpill shit again. Its not extra effort, you can come up with blueprints and have them saved as keyboard shortcuts. Get a girl to show you her Hinge with 400 likes where she is only scrolling through her likes. Try to quickly pick out the "good" profiles from those 400. Its impossible, its like scrolling through identical grains of stand. All the messages are the same, all the guys look the same, all the bios are the same. Some guys are more attractive than others, but very very few guys are "THAT" attractive. Marketing matters, commercials matter, first impressions matter. Skip it if you want, but stop justifying it.
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Did you A/B test this? I did, and it made no difference for me in terms of match rate. I can't think of a single guy I know who has success on Hinge and is data-oriented that bothers to send messages with likes.

The worst part is when they match and then you have to double text, then you're coming from a position of weakness.
 
ProgressEvolution said:
pancakemouse said:
Did you A/B test this? I did, and it made no difference for me in terms of match rate. I can't think of a single guy I know who has success on Hinge and is data-oriented that bothers to send messages with likes.

The worst part is when they match and then you have to double text, then you're coming from a position of weakness.
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So you think it's more efficient to just send a like and then message after matching on Hinge?

Also, you seem knowledgeable on this so I'd appreciate if you could answer a few quick questions on this:

- Should it be fine to like their first picture and move on to the next or is it better to like prompts?

- How many likes realistically should I be sending through Hinge a day on the paid version? 50-100? Or do I just autoclick spam that shit?

- And finally, do you have any tips or links to any useful tips for the three prompts to use on Hinge? They don't seem to be optional and I can't find anything much on them. I trust myself to learn and carry IRL but I want to systemize almost everything that's online.
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Like one of the prompts, any one of them, and move on. Send a custom message only when there is something EXTREMELY specific you have in common (maybe 1/200).

As many likes as possible.

Three prompts: Zug has good advice on this <cue Zug!>
 
The prompts only purpose is to attract people with traits you want and discourage matches from people with attributes that are difficult to glean through early conversation. The latter is not important until you're close to reaching the cap on max # of dates per week. Going out with shitty people is valuable early on.

You need to stand out from the crowd and draw people in. You want DHVs that require a half step or a full step for a person to glean.

Specific example:
You can say "Really into BDSM" - This is just straight out saying the thing, and making a claim without proof naturally makes people suspicious
A half stepped removed from that is something like "Dominant" - Basically the same thing but its less obvious, gives some plausible deniability, which is important for women to not feel like sluts
A full step removed is something like "Takes charge, enjoy leading in and beyond the bedroom" - What does this mean? Its fairly explicit, but what exactly? Far more effective
Two steps removed is listing a bunch of traits and ideals dominant men into bdsm possess, but without mentioning either word. Some combo of ideas/words like assertive, masculine, responsibility, discipline, making plans, etc.

Write stuff thats congruent to who you are, you can stretch another 5-10% if you're striving to make up that difference in the future. What reasons do you actually have for a woman to want to hang out with you? General reasons are you're exciting in some way, exceptional, can provide mentorship, logistics, leadership, security (this is not just financial, emotional is a big component), have a big dick, great in the bedroom, kinky and can teach, super interesting hobbies, own a boat, etc.

My profile is over the top and tailored specifically for me, and copying profiles is horrible unless you are very similar to the person your copying in terms of lifestyle and temperament.


pancakemouse My match rate on hinge is damn high considering my age and girls I go after. I've had less than idk, 3% of girls not reply to the opener after we've matched. Super likes on Tinder are also very very effective for me, solely because of the opener included. My texting blueprint at this point has all messages preseeding the next follow up so it flows well. My bigger issue is when they provide a slightly shitty answer to the opener and its equally weird to ignore their message and continue the sequence or disregard what I said in the opener.
 
pancakemouse said:
Like one of the prompts, any one of them, and move on. Send a custom message only when there is something EXTREMELY specific you have in common (maybe 1/200).

As many likes as possible.

Three prompts: @Zug has good advice on this <cue Zug!>
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I've gotten pretty solid responses with the chess one you told me to use.

"Don't hate me if I spank you at chess"

girls often message me first, sometimes like:
"i've never played chess, you'd probably win"

OR, sometimes they're even like
"You're going to do WHAT to me in chess?"

OR, more rarely:
"I don't know how to play chess so you can just spank me"

I love it. The innuendo is subtle enough to give plausible deniability but it's overt enough that it's not frequently misinterpreted.

I think using a buzzword like "spank" along with a non-sexual topic/hobby tends to work well. But I guess OP's mileage may vary depending on profile/archetype etc.
 
responding to your MUST live with parents post

what's the frame with your parents like? would you be able to pull straight to your room skipping the living room? you may have leverage if you're being essentially forced to stay with them. don't expect sympathy, just a straighforward negotiation - you're sacrificing your life for this so as a compromise you can bring girls to your room.

alternatively fucking in cars and public bathrooms is an option, and pulling to hers.

I know a few guys in NYC who got all their nightgame lays by pulling to a really nice hotel bathroom.
I know a few guys who lived with their parents and pulled and fucked in cars with a pretty high % of success.
for pulling to hers the best chance is a 2 date model. first date is short, an hour, and you seed shit to do at her place. 2nd date you have at her place. expect to lose a decent amount of girls this way - they often live with their families or have dormmates etc unless theyre older. learn to filter upfront to find out her logistics.

overall its totally doable to get laid outside of your place, and you'll learn useful filtering and logistics management and framing skills. its not entirely a waste. but its still much better if you can just have your own room.

hence I strongly suggest the negotiating with your family option. the gap between pulling to your own entire place, vs pulling to just your own room, is a lot smaller than the gap between pulling to your room, and pulling to hers/a car/a bathroom.
 
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