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Brandon Builds - Biz, Girls, and trying to pull a girl from reddit

This is sick, dude! Very nice. I saw the vid with Andy.
I also want to get more involved on fetlife when I get a free moment.
 
Writing the book with you has been amazing experience brother.

I was jsut now reading the 3d were I started... and woah... hard to beleive but we made it.

PS: thank you everyone who purchased it!
 
That's interesting dude. Coaching a girl on dating. Honestly I would find the experience illuminating, when I was a career counsellor, men and women were totally totally different. Could not approach sessions the same way.
 
Just had another sales call with a couple. They had found my website, bought the book, and then after getting to chapter 4, decided to sign up for a call.

This shit feels exactly like the beginning of dating, where I can see where I stumbled and and can be more skillful. Which both sucks and makes you hungry for the next one. The difficulty with this call was that they were both on the call and I had to evoke and understand the problem from both sides, WITHOUT having them subtlety attack each other. I'm trying to evoke the pain of having the problem, but not negative emotions towards each other. It was quite the dance. Felt like I could have really helped them, but alas, I got the "We'll have to talk about it" at the end. And to be honest, I half heartedly started to ask what concerns he may have had in order to objection handle.

On the flipside, this exposure to different sales calls is great. I know with reps I'll be getting better. Also obviously educating myself and finished up the New Model of Selling by Jeremy Lee Miner and had implemented some of his material on this call

Don't know if anyone's done sales to couples here, but would love to hear how you've navigated two people on the call like that. Think I just needed a place to journal for a moment, so thought I'd share.
 
Ya that's a tricky one. But probably not too common to worry a lot about.

When dealing with 2 buyers, deal with the one who initiated the reach (or had the original idea) a bit more.

But tbh, I've never had that. What I do know, is that sometimes you psych yourself out. I once had a famous songwriter on a coaching call, and tbh, I didn't follow my sales process that works because I thought I had to do something different... I didn't.
 
Manganiello said:
Ya that's a tricky one. But probably not too common to worry a lot about.
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Actually I forsee it becoming a common occurrence consider of the previous paying clients I've had and applications the breakdown is as follows:
  • Woman 5
  • Man 5
Status:
  • Married 3
  • Engaged 2
  • Relationship 4
  • Single 1
Two of the married applicants were applying with their spouse but never made it to the call. I'm guessing that one of them was gungho about it, the other not so much.

All of them except one have been in a relationship of some sorts. My content is much more relationship focused, building a dynamic between dom and sub, even if that's casual relationships. My overly reductionistic story arc is from married nice guy to dominant, so by no surprise many of the problems the couples face our him needing to learn to be more dominant. When the women apply its been they need direction in learning more about themselves and how to be better partner and submissive. And the thread line being that all of them want this in D/s dynamics.

Manganiello said:
When dealing with 2 buyers, deal with the one who initiated the reach (or had the original idea) a bit more.
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This is certainly true though. I could have focused more on him since he initiated everything. However, I wasn't getting a lot of information from him because I was having a difficult time getting him to open up. Which I did learn a lot about his previous marriages, and can see where he lacks assertion, so having his fiance on the sales call with him probably hindered that. I tried to balance talking with both, and encouraged and invited both to speak when I asked questions. But at the end of the day, he was the decision maker.
 
Bman said:
Just had another sales call with a couple. They had found my website, bought the book, and then after getting to chapter 4, decided to sign up for a call.

This shit feels exactly like the beginning of dating, where I can see where I stumbled and and can be more skillful. Which both sucks and makes you hungry for the next one. The difficulty with this call was that they were both on the call and I had to evoke and understand the problem from both sides, WITHOUT having them subtlety attack each other. I'm trying to evoke the pain of having the problem, but not negative emotions towards each other. It was quite the dance. Felt like I could have really helped them, but alas, I got the "We'll have to talk about it" at the end. And to be honest, I half heartedly started to ask what concerns he may have had in order to objection handle.

On the flipside, this exposure to different sales calls is great. I know with reps I'll be getting better. Also obviously educating myself and finished up the New Model of Selling by Jeremy Lee Miner and had implemented some of his material on this call

Don't know if anyone's done sales to couples here, but would love to hear how you've navigated two people on the call like that. Think I just needed a place to journal for a moment, so thought I'd share.
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Just my 2c, but my therapist is pretty good, and was gung-ho about never doing couples counseling again. It was his opinion that it was a waste of his time. There is too much room for people to offload responsibility while simultaneously demanding you mediate their different brands of bullshit. At least with 1 on 1 counseling (which is what you're basically doing), the client implicitly takes responsibility and ownership for their problems simply by signing up for the service.

If I sign up with you as a couple, I can mentally tell myself I'm paying you to fix my shitty partner's problems. That option is removed when the conversation is 1 on 1 with you only. I believe from the sales POV, your pitch is to the person pulling out the credit card, whether thats man, woman, dom, or sub. However, in terms of being able to enact change in them, I'd be wary of engaging in group calls for the reason my therapist gave.

I've only given this a little thought, but my gut feeling is that I'd only use group sessions as a way to have them practice ritual or specific protocols with you in a guided way. I wouldn't let them air their dirty laundry in a group setting for any reason. Also, if you get a vibe that's what they want, I'd really ask myself if this is a good use of anyone's time or money. You're not going to build your business with couple destined for failure.
 
@Zug these are really good points and thanks for dropping your therapists experience. My plan was actually coach them each one on one, then having some sessions with them together to practice skills, similar to what you're saying.

In this specific case, the guy was actually taking responsibility for his side (which if he made it that far in my book, by that point we've driven home taking 100% responsibility for his life), she didn't necessarily see what her roles was in it, but I would have addressed that with her individually.

Regardless, this was the first couples call. All the other people who've applied and shown up or been a client have been 1-1. I'm still going to take couples calls to see if this is the case, but I will absolutely be weary of your warning here. Thanks.
 
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Happy Friday the 13th, gentleman. If you're tattoo enthusiast, I hope you went and got your F13 flash tattoo today.

Let's get down to business, literally.

Business​

Been putting in my hours here. After the book launch I focused my time on building an MVP for a course and launching that a few weeks later. I then spent time going through my site, building email funnels, and continuing to make content.

Here's my stats this month:
  • 10k visitors per month (almost 2x from the last stats update)
  • Fetlife has 727 friends and 971 followers
  • 805 email subs
  • 505 YouTube subs
  • Sold over 50 books
  • Sold 2 courses
  • Sold $3k coaching package
Was happy to see the course already sold a couple times. The next version of it will be expanded significantly, with recorded videos of sex skills (more on that later).

Was also excited to close a coaching client, a couple integrating D/s into their marriage. They are perfect clients. It was evident right from the application all the way to the first coaching call with them that these two really love each other and already have a thriving sex life. The guy is also ex military with 11 tours and personality wise is very dominant. They really just needed me to hold their hand through this stuff and help them work through mental hurdles. They are doing great though.

Girls​

In between working on my stuff, going on a work trip for my day job, and a trip for my step-mother's funeral, I managed to get some time in with girls.

Here's a recap:
  • Lay with 25yo skinny black girl from FetLife. She gave some of the best sloppiest, slobbery head. I honestly could not let her go for to long because I would have came quickly it felt so good. Trips and schedules got in the way of getting a lock-in though.
  • Went on a couple dates with girls that I passed on, one from Fet and one from Feeld. Just was not that into them.
  • Went on a date with a beautiful, petite 35 yo. She wore this flowery bodycon dress on the date and she kept switching her legs up and it would ride up thigh, I just wanted to rip it up and fuck her right there. We matched on Feeld, just was just getting out of a 15 year LTR, and was ready to explore all that she missed. I was just casually mentioning things about my experiences, and eventually she confessed that she was intimidated by me. When I pitched the pull, she was a little taken back saying she wasn't expecting that, then I couple token excuses. Tbh, I don't know what the hell I was doing that night, because I totally fumbled, and was not at my best. When I reviewed the night later, I knew the places I had messed up and that one was all on me. Anyways, we had made out, but when I went to do a second date, got a "I was feeling a lot of things that night, but not quite feeling the spark." Oh well, I took my L and tightened my game for the next one.
  • Lay with a petite 30yo from Feeld. She had a lot of enthusiasm and liked being fucked deep, touching in and around her cervix. It was great. She did, however, have a bit of a bratty attitude. At one point I had to hold her face in my hands so she could not move her head, stare her down in the eyes, and sternly tell her to stop. She did for the most part and we enjoyed the rest of our night. If she makes it easy, I'd see her again because the sex is good, but she's being a little wishy washy. Our personalities don't jive too much, so no sweat off my back if not.

Main Girl​

Also still been dating my main girl, so these have been on the off days I don't see her. Every time I sleep with a new girl, I let my main girl know the next time I see her. She usually has a couple questions around reassuring her that I still like her, find her attractive, and then curiosity about what the other girl is like. I just calmly answer them and she has been sweet and easy about it every time. It's more to just help with the natural jealousy response.

Beyond that, she's been a sweetheart. She goes with me to shrine, we've been on regular dates, I chill at her house on Saturdays. She also watched my dog during the couple trips I had. The D/s dynamic side has also been great, both inside with sexual submission and outside the bedroom with service submission. We've had a couple relationship hiccups, but we just talk them out. Pretty normal couple stuff and nothing I can't handle. It's been really fulfilling, especially with me expressing needs for nourishment that I didn't have the words for when I was married, that she's fulfilling now.

I did let her know that I some point, I do want a second relationship like this. So sometimes she does ask if I'll be pursuing the other girls I'm sleeping with romantically. None of them have even crossed my mind to do so with, so it has not been an issue yet, but when it does happen, that will just be something I'll need to navigate. I feel confident I'll be able to do so, but I also don't fear losing her, the other girl, or both of them.

Potential New Girl​

That being said, I just today set a date for next week with a 24yo Vietnamese girl who has gorgeous facial features and curves on a slim frame. A couple years ago, one of the girls who was a regular at my munch said she met this beautiful Viet girl at a play party and said I'd really like her. I never did run into her, and she dropped out of the scene for a bit and deleted her FetLife. Then when I started van life she had found my IG from one of the models I worked with in the past and followed me there. When I got back to Austin, she had come to my munch once and we had some serious eye fucking across the table, but she bailed early from the munch and I still had to be running it. About a month ago she followed me on Fet after starting up her account again, but I was deep in work mode and working through other leads, which I have limited time slots for. Today she posted a hot set of red lingerie on Fet, I commented, then went over to IG to circumvent to shit show I'm sure her Fet inbox is, and told her to wear one of her cute dress outfits she has in all her IG pictures for our date. Done and done. We'll see how we vibe, but she has such a very feminine and submissive vibe that I could see her having potential for a second LTR.

Content Partners​

Have also been mildly on the lookout for content partners. As part of the next version of the course, I want to record videos for a huge list of sex & kink skills. But finding one to do so with has been quite the feat so far. The reason being is because I don't already have a following for porn content, so I'm not attractive and too small for the bigger profiles. So I've been trying to find newer girls, but there's no surefire way of searching and filtering for these girls, specifically in my target area.

I ended up posting on Reddit in one of the OF collab areas. I actually had this 20yo petite, bohemian/festival, college girl ( I made her send me pictures because it's fucking reddit. lol) reach out with interest. She was curious about the project, but then seen all the stuff I wanted to record, and got self conscious because she doesn't have a lot of experience in the bedroom. I told her no big deal, I could teach her. She also wasn't sure if she wanted to start doing porn content, she was just intrigued by the idea. She just signed with a traditional modeling agency. I told her no biggie, if her curiosity got the best of her, she could reach back out. Then she started asking me questions about my experiences. So I moved the convo along, tried to get number, no go. Moved convo along, she was nervous because she had not had sex in 8 months, she wasn't sure if I'd have fun with her because of her inexperience compared to me, and rightly assumed I slept with a lot of women. Ended up trying to set a date, she wasn't going to be available within the next few days. Then tried for next week and nothing. I honestly just kept pushing so I could have the story of pulling a hot girl from reddit. Lol

Anyways, if any of have any ideas for finding content partners, I'm all ears. I started reaching out on OF directly if they have a free sub using some search engine tools that help you filter by location, but they don't work all that great. My next avenue is twitter, but I have zero following there. Obviously my strongest avenue is FetLife, but you can't search/filter there.

In the meantime, the girl from San Diego is still flying in next month and she is definitely getting into content. Not ideal because she'd have to fly in again, but you got to start somewhere.

Until next time, keep kicking ass.
 
Bman said:
Happy Friday the 13th, gentleman. If you're tattoo enthusiast, I hope you went and got your F13 flash tattoo today.

Let's get down to business, literally.

Business​

Been putting in my hours here. After the book launch I focused my time on building an MVP for a course and launching that a few weeks later. I then spent time going through my site, building email funnels, and continuing to make content.

Here's my stats this month:
  • 10k visitors per month (almost 2x from the last stats update)
  • Fetlife has 727 friends and 971 followers
  • 805 email subs
  • 505 YouTube subs
  • Sold over 50 books
  • Sold 2 courses
  • Sold $3k coaching package
Was happy to see the course already sold a couple times. The next version of it will be expanded significantly, with recorded videos of sex skills (more on that later).

Was also excited to close a coaching client, a couple integrating D/s into their marriage. They are perfect clients. It was evident right from the application all the way to the first coaching call with them that these two really love each other and already have a thriving sex life. The guy is also ex military with 11 tours and personality wise is very dominant. They really just needed me to hold their hand through this stuff and help them work through mental hurdles. They are doing great though.

Girls​

In between working on my stuff, going on a work trip for my day job, and a trip for my step-mother's funeral, I managed to get some time in with girls.

Here's a recap:
  • Lay with 25yo skinny black girl from FetLife. She gave some of the best sloppiest, slobbery head. I honestly could not let her go for to long because I would have came quickly it felt so good. Trips and schedules got in the way of getting a lock-in though.
  • Went on a couple dates with girls that I passed on, one from Fet and one from Feeld. Just was not that into them.
  • Went on a date with a beautiful, petite 35 yo. She wore this flowery bodycon dress on the date and she kept switching her legs up and it would ride up thigh, I just wanted to rip it up and fuck her right there. We matched on Feeld, just was just getting out of a 15 year LTR, and was ready to explore all that she missed. I was just casually mentioning things about my experiences, and eventually she confessed that she was intimidated by me. When I pitched the pull, she was a little taken back saying she wasn't expecting that, then I couple token excuses. Tbh, I don't know what the hell I was doing that night, because I totally fumbled, and was not at my best. When I reviewed the night later, I knew the places I had messed up and that one was all on me. Anyways, we had made out, but when I went to do a second date, got a "I was feeling a lot of things that night, but not quite feeling the spark." Oh well, I took my L and tightened my game for the next one.
  • Lay with a petite 30yo from Feeld. She had a lot of enthusiasm and liked being fucked deep, touching in and around her cervix. It was great. She did, however, have a bit of a bratty attitude. At one point I had to hold her face in my hands so she could not move her head, stare her down in the eyes, and sternly tell her to stop. She did for the most part and we enjoyed the rest of our night. If she makes it easy, I'd see her again because the sex is good, but she's being a little wishy washy. Our personalities don't jive too much, so no sweat off my back if not.

Main Girl​

Also still been dating my main girl, so these have been on the off days I don't see her. Every time I sleep with a new girl, I let my main girl know the next time I see her. She usually has a couple questions around reassuring her that I still like her, find her attractive, and then curiosity about what the other girl is like. I just calmly answer them and she has been sweet and easy about it every time. It's more to just help with the natural jealousy response.

Beyond that, she's been a sweetheart. She goes with me to shrine, we've been on regular dates, I chill at her house on Saturdays. She also watched my dog during the couple trips I had. The D/s dynamic side has also been great, both inside with sexual submission and outside the bedroom with service submission. We've had a couple relationship hiccups, but we just talk them out. Pretty normal couple stuff and nothing I can't handle. It's been really fulfilling, especially with me expressing needs for nourishment that I didn't have the words for when I was married, that she's fulfilling now.

I did let her know that I some point, I do want a second relationship like this. So sometimes she does ask if I'll be pursuing the other girls I'm sleeping with romantically. None of them have even crossed my mind to do so with, so it has not been an issue yet, but when it does happen, that will just be something I'll need to navigate. I feel confident I'll be able to do so, but I also don't fear losing her, the other girl, or both of them.

Potential New Girl​

That being said, I just today set a date for next week with a 24yo Vietnamese girl who has gorgeous facial features and curves on a slim frame. A couple years ago, one of the girls who was a regular at my munch said she met this beautiful Viet girl at a play party and said I'd really like her. I never did run into her, and she dropped out of the scene for a bit and deleted her FetLife. Then when I started van life she had found my IG from one of the models I worked with in the past and followed me there. When I got back to Austin, she had come to my munch once and we had some serious eye fucking across the table, but she bailed early from the munch and I still had to be running it. About a month ago she followed me on Fet after starting up her account again, but I was deep in work mode and working through other leads, which I have limited time slots for. Today she posted a hot set of red lingerie on Fet, I commented, then went over to IG to circumvent to shit show I'm sure her Fet inbox is, and told her to wear one of her cute dress outfits she has in all her IG pictures for our date. Done and done. We'll see how we vibe, but she has such a very feminine and submissive vibe that I could see her having potential for a second LTR.

Content Partners​

Have also been mildly on the lookout for content partners. As part of the next version of the course, I want to record videos for a huge list of sex & kink skills. But finding one to do so with has been quite the feat so far. The reason being is because I don't already have a following for porn content, so I'm not attractive and too small for the bigger profiles. So I've been trying to find newer girls, but there's no surefire way of searching and filtering for these girls, specifically in my target area.

I ended up posting on Reddit in one of the OF collab areas. I actually had this 20yo petite, bohemian/festival, college girl ( I made her send me pictures because it's fucking reddit. lol) reach out with interest. She was curious about the project, but then seen all the stuff I wanted to record, and got self conscious because she doesn't have a lot of experience in the bedroom. I told her no big deal, I could teach her. She also wasn't sure if she wanted to start doing porn content, she was just intrigued by the idea. She just signed with a traditional modeling agency. I told her no biggie, if her curiosity got the best of her, she could reach back out. Then she started asking me questions about my experiences. So I moved the convo along, tried to get number, no go. Moved convo along, she was nervous because she had not had sex in 8 months, she wasn't sure if I'd have fun with her because of her inexperience compared to me, and rightly assumed I slept with a lot of women. Ended up trying to set a date, she wasn't going to be available within the next few days. Then tried for next week and nothing. I honestly just kept pushing so I could have the story of pulling a hot girl from reddit. Lol

Anyways, if any of have any ideas for finding content partners, I'm all ears. I started reaching out on OF directly if they have a free sub using some search engine tools that help you filter by location, but they don't work all that great. My next avenue is twitter, but I have zero following there. Obviously my strongest avenue is FetLife, but you can't search/filter there.

In the meantime, the girl from San Diego is still flying in next month and she is definitely getting into content. Not ideal because she'd have to fly in again, but you got to start somewhere.

Until next time, keep kicking ass.
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You're crushing it!
I've taken a lot of inspiration from your recent podcasts with Andy.
 
Bman said:
Anyways, if any of have any ideas for finding content partners, I'm all ears.
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Presumably you'll have to pay them? If you can't pay them upfront offer them a percentage of sales or something?

Women might want to fuck you for free but to appear in content they will need an incentive I expect. I don't know what the normal arrangements are for OF collabs and the like tbf, but if you are starting virtually from zero then I expect you will need to make an investment.
 
Ali said:
You're crushing it!
I've taken a lot of inspiration from your recent podcasts with Andy.
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Love that man!

MovingForward said:
Presumably you'll have to pay them? If you can't pay them upfront offer them a percentage of sales or something?
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Yeah for the educational stuff for the course I have entire breakdown with a compensation model as they would get a percentage of sales, plus marketing though all my channels obviously. That's not the issue. The issue is finding them to literally make the offer.

As for general OF content, everyone does it differently but the best setups I've heard is that you film the content and either chop the videos so certain portions are sold on each person's OF or it gets posted in both places and each person just keeps all the sales they make on there own channel.
 
Bman said:
Yeah for the educational stuff for the course I have entire breakdown with a compensation model as they would get a percentage of sales, plus marketing though all my channels obviously. That's not the issue. The issue is finding them to literally make the offer.
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Fair enough. I think your real life BDSM network/group thing is probably the best bet tbh.

Does the content have to be sexually explicit (nudity, penetration) or could you talk through and even demonstrate most of the techniques with a clothed woman? If so you could potentially widen your search to actresses generally rather than OF creators. That's the only other option I can think of.
 
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