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Manganiello's 2025 Update

Toast said:
Manganiello said:
Was feeling pretty confident. Which is odd cuz usually that drops a lot when I don't approach for a few days.
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Base line of approach skill finally acquired from doing ~1000 approaches.
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~750
 
Nov 16

0/3
Missed probably 5 or 6.
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Starting the session after 6pm doesn't help either. But it felt like approaching was better than nothing.

... I did a small session last Sunday (I think) maybe did 5.


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I'm getting bitch slapped by my low volume. I know I'm missing approaches I usually would make. And the approaches I do make feel tense.

I just want to put in the milage for me to feel normal again. I probably won't be able to do a solid session til Thursday, if I don't have dates lined up.

...

Gameplan for the next 2 weeks is work 50hrs each week. Approach and get dates in. When a date flakes I work on the course I'm taking.

I'll restructure my time come December. But for now this is what I want to do.
 
Last thing I'll add before I go to bed.

I was talking with colgate
And I think I have to unlearn a lot of the daygame stuff I've learnt from others.

What's odd is that I can say my first 50 approaches were probably better than my last 50. I was more genuine, down to earth, and empathetic.


I think one reason Tinder (and any other area of me life I excel at) worked out so well is because I honestly just trusted myself to figure it out and gain a feel for it.

With Tinder I read enough stuff about it until I felt like I had a *feel* for what a good profile is.

Same with sales. I read stuff til I got a feel for the ideal sales convo.

Same with music I always leaned into the feeling of the song more than the technique and I was considered "gifted" but it was just me worrying about feeling the song out more than just reading the sheet music.


I'm good at sales because I used my intuition to figure it out.
Same with music.
Same with marketing.
Same with negotiation.
Same with a lot of stuff.


I just need to like start with a new slate almost and just go in and be natural with it.

I'm analytical by nature so idk why I'd starve myself of this one gift I have for figuring shit out.

...

I almost never post journal like stuff here. But it was just on my mind.
 
Crisis_Overcomer said:
Manganiello said:
And I think I have to unlearn a lot of the daygame stuff I've learnt from others.
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Examples?
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Doing interactions under 30 seconds.
 
Nov 18
1/4 today.
Probably skipped 10-15 opportunities.

Slowly crawling out of low volume hell.
Need to get more volume.

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Number I got was a cute brunette working in the mall. Dunno where. Talked to her for maybe 4 minutes. Nothing super special besides the length of it.

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There's so much stuff I want to try with day game. It's actually pretty exciting again.

colgate pretty much gave me renewed faith in it.

But for the time being I need to get rid of the rust and AA that has built up again.

I think last time it took me 6 or 8 sessions to finally be comfortable doing large sets. So I may have to go through that process again. Which is fine.
 
Manganiello said:
Probably skipped 10-15 opportunities.
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Lol even when I just moved to Austin and did my first daygame session I probably missed out on 10-15 opportunities because I had some AA from not doing a session in 2 weeks.

You'll be getting back up to volume soon.
 
Nov 19
0/6 - had a hard time starting this one. And doing it.

Troy (who's not on these forums), but some of you guys may know. Gave me some great advice.

That's it.
 
Nov 20

2/15

Felt way better approaching.
Very little AA.

Got 2 tentative dates setup.

1 # from tinder as well.
 
Nov 22

Might make more sense to log this on my online thread but.... Fuck it.

Date legit flakes. Confirmed no show.

Did not fucking matter cuz a friend of mine (good friend haven't seen or talked to in 7 years invited me for drinks with another old friend).

Super interesting.

We all went to highschool together. All 3 of us were in the top 5 in our graduating class for grades.

We went to the same university & got good degrees.
One became a petroleum engineer
One became a doctor
I went into biz school


And now I'm just fucking girls.
They probably make 3x much more than I do.
Atleast.

I took a very different turn. Everyone went on the career path and it felt like I just completely abandoned the path of having a successful life in Western Society. I was on it and then j just got off. And I got off a long time ago.


It was like a window into another life.
I was mildly jealous cuz they make so much more than I do. And have freedoms I don't have. And income stability will never ever ever be a problem. And the social status that comes from that...

But then we talk about women, and one guys jaded about his marriage.

Other guy is talking about how he wants a serious relationship but can't find a good girl.

I guess we're all doing better in some areas and worse in others.

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That's the first tug I've had to get serious about money in maybe 3 years. I haven't given the slightest fuck since then. And I probably still won't for awhile. But it just caught me off guard. Like man, what if I devoted myself to work like these guys have?

How long do I wanna be fucking girls for?

...

It wasnt a powerful feeling or anything. I'm just noting that I felt something. About that for the first time in a long time.

...

I also am beginning to see marriage and having a kid as a trap. A girl actually told me this. But since she told me I started seeing it everywhere. Guys and girls love their relationships, as soon as a kid comes around theyre time, energy and sleep gets thrown into the kid and they lose the intimacy they had with their partner.

The deeper I go into the fringes of a sex life, the more I clue into just how mindless a lot of these decisions we can make our.

Marriage may not be good.
Kids may not be happiness.

Who knows.


Another journal entry post.
Worked 12 hours today.
Will again tomorrow.
Nothing girls related til after tomorrow.
 
update

Just keeping you guys in the loop.

Gone into a monk mode with work and doing self-reflection and goal setting for the next year.

So not really anything worthy to update girls wise.

Probably won't update my log much for the next 4 weeks. If you guys have any questions or want my input on something just @me.
 
Clearly, you have tonnes of potential in every area of life King Manga.

It is definitely possible for you to make absolute bank and enjoy a very high standard of living.

I think you've gotten your emotional and physical needs met, proven to yourself that you can have whatever type of dating life you want, and you've got a great platform for all that could follow.

Deep reflection is good and will help you create a brilliant next chapter.

BTW, my friends from school and University are well ahead of me in finances, their relationships, everything. I'm the straggler who got left behind as I had like 4 damn years of health problems that kept me out of life. BUT, to me, the most inspiring tale is that of an underdog story, that of a come back - I have seen many people come back from absolutely nothing and literally overtake everyone else. History is littered with many examples.

Making real money is a very important goal for me, and in my process, it'll come - The Phoenix Project must be delivered first. Thereafter, I suspect I'll be where you are, albeit with my own set of perspectives and assumptions.

Keep us updated King Manga, it's always a privilege to watch & learn from you.

MAC
 
MakingAComeback said:
Clearly, you have tonnes of potential in every area of life King Manga.

It is definitely possible for you to make absolute bank and enjoy a very high standard of living.

I think you've gotten your emotional and physical needs met, proven to yourself that you can have whatever type of dating life you want, and you've got a great platform for all that could follow.

Deep reflection is good and will help you create a brilliant next chapter.
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Appreciate the nice words MakingAComeback

Actually I haven't proven that to myself yet. I've proven I can talk to girls and get laid in relatively high frequency, yes.

But there's a nagging part that still feels unaccomplished. I still haven't been able to hookup with very attractive at will. It's felt very random and inconsistent with hot girls.

Also retention is something I feel like I don't have. Albeit I think there's stuff I've done there made it harder to retain (like not wanting to text girls after a date or a hookup, and refusing to have long conversations with a girl, etc.).

So I think next year will be along the same path as this year, just going deeper.

I won't really conclusive say til my goals are written in stone. But switching the majority of my focus away from dating feels premature.

All the guys I look up to have spent multiple years focusing on their dating life.
 
Manganiello said:
Basically, you're good as you are. But you wanna be even better. (As opposed to "I'm not good enough.") You're way, way, way past the point of being "good".
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Ok. I'm going to give a short rant here.

Because this is a very very important point. And Andy you might get it, but others might not.

I just want to draw out the point more clearly.

There's a difference between
1) having low self-esteem
2) being discontent.

High self-esteem means you generally like yourself. And believe in yourself.

Being discontent means you hate your circumstances and find it embarassing and disgusting.

Why thats an important distinction.

Because every great period of life where you excel, accomplish big things will be PRECEDED by discontentment.



Profound discontentment actually correlates with accomplishment. If anyone thinks about the big positive changes theyve made in their life theyll find this largely true.

KillYourInnerLoser your financial achievements this year was preceded by what?

My first cold approach lay was preceded by frustration.

My string of online lays preceded by embrassment.

Weight loss. Same thing.


Not all "bad" feelings are bad.

That's the biggest lie in self-help. You don't want to avoid all bad feelings. You want to be discontent. If you want to levelup you want to despise your life.

We get what we need.
Not what we want.

Your needs are driven by pain in the here and now.

Wants are like a loose fantasy. They're optional.

Want more success?
Hate your life.


That doesn't mean hate yourself. Just hate your surroundings. Maybe hate your behaviour. But don't hate yourself.

2 different things.
 
Manganiello said:
Manganiello said:
Basically, you're good as you are. But you wanna be even better. (As opposed to "I'm not good enough.") You're way, way, way past the point of being "good".
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Want more success?
Hate your life.
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I get this King Manga, I get it a lot LOL.

Negative emotions are powerful as fuck.

MAC
 
Dec 8

Mostly been working. Quite a lot actually.

Did some number crunching and realized I have to work 50 hrs a week and get a pay raise if I want to bit my income goals. Next year.

Immediately I feel conflicted.

I hyper want to prioritize dating. But I also want to hit the financial targets almost equally.

I'll have to sort this out. Cuz no way am I going to be productive with this confusion.



Cool update

Not about me, but a friend.

I helped set his Tinder profile up last week ..

2 lays in 4 days.

The only reason I'm saying this is cuz it felt cool that I could tell him what pictures to use and then he fucks 2 girls right away. Maybe a 3rd tomorrow.

Everytime I see a guy doing well I get a mix of inspiration and jealousy. I don't think it's a bad thing.

But it makes me think: "Holy fuck I need tattoos and need to slim down."

For context: This guy works out a lot, has his own clothing company and has maybe 30+ hours of tattoo work. So that should give an idea of what he looks like. Looks are absolutely maxed. I'm not surprised he did that well. But it's also like fuck. I want it to be that easy for me

And maybe it was. But that guy only boost 3x.
He's doing about as well as I was, but with less boosting. I can't help but compare and feel a tinge of jealousy.


But again ... that's where the conflict comes in. I want to hit my financial goals really badly but also want to max everything out in my dating life. And right now they feel like polar opposites.

Had the exact same problem last year with wanting to move out. I think I just got clear on what I needed to do and then used a lot of discipline to finish the AA program and work 45-50 hrs a week.

I was working 50 hrs a week when I was approaching 100+ girls weekly. So it might not be impossible. But for some reason it feels that way. I have to get very clear on how I'm gonna go about this.


Hmmm.....

Anyway. That's it.

You probably still won't see any action in the dating front for a other 3-4 weeks.

Just tryna get myself setup very well for next year.
 
Manganiello said:
But it makes me think: "Holy fuck I need tattoos and need to slim down."
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I would legitimately get 30-40% more lays with two full sleeves of tattoos. It's stupid how well they work. Stupid because I don't want to put anything permanent on my body. That's why I got an https://ephemeral.tattoo in New York this summer. The max they do is 4x4, though, and it costs $450 for that size. It fades in 9-15 months.
 
oh man sleeve tattoos like that I would not be opposed to. I wanna see some pics of this.

I'd get financials to baseline, better use of time. Girls are fickle and will still be there. I'm surprised you were able to help your friend out so much but sometimes its just that little thing that pushes them over the edge. And I get that feeling of jealousy I definitely got that with my buddy when we would go out at night time.
 
Jealousy is real, don't try to think about it. As a student I worked in hospitality, doing big promo events for companies. Lots of models - think the girls you see on car shows. I worked with a guy who was a legit male model, doing the occasional runway and photoshoot.

He showed me his Instagram and Tinder. You wouldn't believe how easy it is for him.

Post a dumb black & white selfie to your IG Story? 5 girls instantly hit him up.
Reply to the Story of a girl petting her cat with "nice pussy"? She's interested.
Girls on Tinder were constantly opening him too with that starry-eyed emoji and hearts and stuff like that.

Guy is 6'5, skinny, never set foot in a gym in his life. Some people just picked good parents.
 
Re: Pain in your life being a motivation for hard work.
GLL had an interesting view on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=195_8eUz268

I do believe that in the long run you need some bigger, think guys that have everything (Elon Musk, etc), how the fuck do they find motivation to keep working? They expand their scope, their environment is no longer shit, but the world by default is shit, so they focus on fixing the world (not out of naive altruism but because they know the sense of contribution makes you happy).

But for most of us, before achieving that stage, it's neccesary to get rid of a lot of baggage.

Whatever gives me motivation to work harder is good in my book.
 
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