Thrice log. I need advice on how to move forward with a girl

[Thrice]

I'm sure you get all panties wet when you call these girls sluts, animals, or straight up unmatch them, you big alpha male

We don't have the block function in this forum, please make this the last commenti on my log, i would really appreciate It. Thanks you.

 

[Squilliam]

I have no girls engaging, tinder sucks for me as i am not facially attractive enough which to be honest is the only thing that count. I'm unmatching a lot of girls, this idea that I'm allowing them to waste my time makes boil with rage, one word answers, some girls Don't even aswer, they just like the message. So i have to go through all this rage and negative emotions because dumb woman decided it's a good idea to use technology created by man to waist time and get some free validation from those man

You have serious inner game issues man.

The fact that you're blaming women for everything says a lot about your mindset and your view of dating.

Ever considered that the reason women can get validation so easily is because of men? Because men nowadays are so desperate and will shower tons of girls in attention just for the chance of sex.

If you're barely getting any matches, you likely need better pictures and/or looks. Might be better for you to take a break from online until you do.

But if you're getting matches consistently, and no dates, it's probably not due to timewasters, there's probably something you're doing wrong with text game.

Even if you do get dates, this kind of mindset will hold you back. You are bitter towards women and it really shows. Believe me, I get where you're coming from. Online dating is frustrating, it sucks when you're not really really attractive. That is true, and it's a bitter pill to swallow. Even reasonably attractive guys have to work to get success.

But this just comes with the territory. You either suck it up and play the game, or you look for other avenues to find girls. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I match with tons of girls who are spoofing their location or who even give me fake compliments to get my attention. What do I do? I get slightly frustrated, unmatch them, and move on. It is what it is.

 

[Thrice]

thanks for cucking yourself so I don't have to! part of the game is avoiding psyops while inflicting them on others after all

i dont even know if you read my posts, i dont have anny sucess on tinder, girls unmatch, ghost and generally dont give a fuck about me, they give me one word answers like robots, where's the part where i'm cucking myself?

But this just comes with the territory. You either suck it up and play the game, or you look for other avenues to find girls. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

i dont hate the game but i do hate woman, i know a lot of people have this zen mindset inner game inner peace leads, maybe they're fucking and have a sexual life. I'm traumatized and depressed, i dont have any sexual intimacy, i dont see why i shouldnt hate who finds me repulsive and who's responsible for all my pain and suffering since the age of13

 

[Squilliam]

i dont even know if you read my posts, i dont have anny sucess on tinder, girls unmatch, ghost and generally dont give a fuck about me, they give me one word answers like robots, where's the part where i'm cucking myself?

You are cucking yourself. I have not seen one post where you genuinely took responsibility for your life or your lack of success. You have eternally been in a victim mindset. You just blame blame blame, without taking any responsibility.

You never take responsibility for yourself at all. You constantly offload the blame onto others. You treat every little thing a girl does to you as a personal attack, when in reality, it's not that deep. Every guy gets unmatched, ghosted, or girls who only send one word answers. As I've said multiple times before, it comes with the territory.

i dont hate the game but i do hate woman, i know a lot of people have this zen mindset inner game inner peace leads, maybe they're fucking and have a sexual life. I'm traumatized and depressed, i dont have any sexual intimacy, i dont see why i shouldnt hate who finds me repulsive and who's responsible for all my pain and suffering since the age of13

Then honestly, you need therapy. Sex isn't a remedy for deep rooted trauma. You could have an 8some with 7 10s tomorrow and you'd still have the same inner game issues and trauma. Sex isn't going to fix your problems, I promise you. Look at that guy Finaplex. He's got 100+ lay count and is still super insecure about himself. I only have a lay count of 11 but I am too. Sex on its own does not fix your problems. It helps a little bit but it doesn't fix childhood trauma.

I don't know your background, but I seriously doubt bad interactions with women are the only cause of your suffering. Even if they are, you need to take more responsibility and work to heal from your trauma. You won't be happy as long as you're hateful and resentful. I can promise you that.

September is right. You behavior communicates that you don't really want to improve. You'd rather sit around and bitch about how much women suck and how much you hate your life, without actually taking any responsibility for yourself. You're just coping. You'd rather say that the system is broken and that you can't get women, and that you're screwed, because it's easier to do that than to actually do the hard work required to turn around your life.

Do you have any female friends? I made one recently. It is actually very helpful for empathizing with women. You speak about women as if they're some monolith, as if they're all the same. You're being no better than the crazy feminists on twitter who say "men are trash".

 

[Thrice]

I will never do therapy, i already said that. Will keep trying until i'm tired enough of all this bullshit and off myself. I'm 35 my best years are already gone.
Today i was very depressed thinking about the past and how my lif went, at 35 no car, no friends to go out with on weekends and i'm not chad enough for the tinder princesses. I have tried tinder for a few months now, i bet all the girls i saw on those months had sex, and they already had it before anyway. Meanwhile all i got is negative feedback that damaged my mood and self esteem even more.

I consider this day a success, i was able to get an intense push workout in despite the intense pain i was feeling in my chest, i had zoe jane from staind on repeat and couldn't stop crying while remembering things that happened many years ago. Didnt cut myself to relieve the pain even if i was very tempted.

Bought some confort (but still health) food and played Valheim for 2 hours, i need to relax and reward myself for surviving, tomorrow is another day, will delete tinder, sell the phone and take new pictures and buy new clothes

Then honestly, you need therapy

meanwhile the therapist...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJFCLUEoKeM

 

[zekler]

I will never do therapy, i already said that. Will keep trying until i'm tired enough of all this bullshit and off myself. I'm 35 my best years are already gone.
Today i was very depressed thinking about the past and how my lif went, at 35 no car, no friends to go out with on weekends and i'm not chad enough for the tinder princesses. I have tried tinder for a few months now, i bet all the girls i saw on those months had sex, and they already had it before anyway. Meanwhile all i got is negative feedback that damaged my mood and self esteem even more.

I consider this day a success, i was able to get an intense push workout in despite the intense pain i was feeling in my chest, i had zoe jane from staind on repeat and couldn't stop crying while remembering things that happened many years ago. Didnt cut myself to relieve the pain even if i was very tempted.

Bought some confort (but still health) food and played Valheim for 2 hours, i need to relax and reward myself for surviving, tomorrow is another day, will delete tinder, sell the phone and take new pictures and buy new clothes

Then honestly, you need therapy

meanwhile the therapist...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJFCLUEoKeM

you should get therapy. Not even in a "gay bluepilled well adjusted person" s take on it. You aren't bad looking enough for things to be going this shit. So you should admit you are having some sort of crisis most of it being mental. Which I understand, given that I am sort of a im da joka baby type of person too. But yeah man, not good.

 

[Manganiello]

Thrice if you're not going to do therapy. You need to look at places that have a track record for helping.

- Landmark, or
- Tony Robbins program or event

 

[ThePermanentFix]

Look man, the only thing that will help you improve is therapy. I'm not trying to be a dickhead about it, but your world view is extremely fucked and clearly comes from internal issues. If you hate women so much then take a break from them and do something you enjoy. There is no point forcing yourself to compete in a game you detest. Women and the game will exist ad infinitum and you can come back to it whenever you want. If all you want is sex, you can shift your focus to earning like $100 more a week and just buy a hooker a week. Fuck for even more cash you can just buy your companionship as well.

I recommend you go watch HealthGamerGG's shit on incels and really try to change your mindset. I have a fucking obese friend, who has been obese his whole life with a more active sex life than me. The girls he sees aren't trash either, they're like 6-8's. Being a chad in looks is one way to optimize, some people are just good with talk. No one who is suicidal and actively hates women is ever going to do well, work on that first.

Also 35 is fucking nothing. I've seen peoples lives do huge 180's starting in their mid 40's, they just worked fucking hard for it. I'm 32 and my life is pretty mediocre too. A mediocre life is basically the average and that average is slowly slipping towards a shit life as the world gets more expensive. The only way out is to work on yourself as hard as you can.

Also, I'm proud of you for not self-harming. I tried to kill myself at 17 and at 25. I know how painful the mind can get and how impossible the urge is to resist at times. Which is why I'm telling you to go seek help. You will not fix it alone.

 

[Thrice]

- Landmark, or

is it this?

https://www.landmarkworldwide.com/

Which is why I'm telling you to go seek help. You will not fix it alone.

i know i need help i'm in a lot of pain for thinking all day, i fantasize about creating a youtube channel and spreading the redpill, i also have debates with myself about girls having more sex than man and lying about the numbers making it look like man are more promiscuous, i also go around all tense and nervous thinking all woman around me never had problem with sex and most of them had sex recently while many man i see are lonely and suffer in silence

now the problem is that i don't look up to therapist or respect them, i think they are the product of a bluepilled society, one trait of our current society is the negation of biology, thats why therapy is so common. Besides not respecting therapist and seeing them as real professionals, i think trauma causes biological changes in the brain and the theories about therapy beign able to fix issues is more a liberal progressive thing, with no proof.

Also if i went to therapy i should tell him i hate woman and have whats called incel rage, thats it at the end of day, i can tell all my story in 10 minutes. Even if he's a male i'm afraid he will just freak out and tell me i should look for a good woman my age and stop chasing young girls like the patriarchy want me to do

this is not me beign stubborn, i really think i need help, and a friend and a social life, i really dont see therapist as a real profession after doing therapy for a year with this girl that just seemed to be annoyed

i also dont have time, i dont like old woman and i'm already old for younger girls

you should get therapy. Not even in a "gay bluepilled well adjusted person" s take on it. You aren't bad looking enough for things to be going this shit. So you should admit you are having some sort of crisis most of it being mental. Which I understand, given that I am sort of a im da joka baby type of person too. But yeah man, not good.

i will try thank you
----------------------------------------------

my goal now is to take new pictures after buying new clothes, i will also try to use a green screen and photoshop

 

[ThePermanentFix]

Sometimes you just need to spend time finding the right therapist. They're individuals just like us, so some will mesh well with you and some will mesh terribly. By therapy I actually meant a psychologist, specifically one the teaches CBT techniques.

I had a psychologist who wouldn't accept the fact I was so depressed about not getting laid for a year and thought it was a deeper issue. I changed to someone else and rather than try to narrow it down further just helped change my mindset around it.

Meds wouldn't hurt too if you are constantly feeling shit, crying, extremely wound tight and anxious. There is no point living a red pilled life if it is ceasing your ability to function as a human at all.

 

[Perseus]

Sometimes you just need to spend time finding the right therapist. They're individuals just like us, so some will mesh well with you and some will mesh terribly. By therapy I actually meant a psychologist, specifically one the teaches CBT techniques.

Absolutely, try finding an independent therapist, they seem to be less "bluepilled". I have had similar struggles where I spent 90% of my day obsessively thinking about dating blackpills. Therapy helped me recognize and interrupt my thought patterns, which has improved my enjoyment of life drastically. I was close to suicidal a year ago. Took therapy in the summer and along with working on dating, it has helped me get to a point where I no longer worry about it and am genuinely content. Don't reply to this with "but I am a special exception because X", I made those same excuses.

 

[Manganiello]

is it this?

Yup I've taken a lot of their courses. Can say only the first one was worthwhile. Taken it twice

 

[Thrice]

it's a been a while since the last update, what i'm trying to do now is get enough money to buy a car which is now the main goal because thinking about it, if i had a car my success rate with tinder would have not been that bad, i'm in a 200k city and not beign able to date girls in other cities didn't allow me to play the numbers game and i ended up getting blackpilled an depressed again, if i try to see things from a rational prespective the number of girls that wanted to date is not that bad but they were all from other cities

right now i have 3 girls that one to date on tinder and one 40yo woman on watsap and i just didnt follow up because it's too complicated without a car. It doesent mean that this girls are very far away though, they're just in cities without a good train connection, to give you and example Milan is way farther from me but well connected so i can be there in 45 minutes with a cheap ticket train

Also the girls want an evening date in most case and after 8 pm there's almost no trains anymore

i worked my ass of cleaning toilets for 12 hours a day, they promised me 8 euros/hour but all they ave me is 1000euros, i got scammed by this shady cleaning company so now i'm looking for another job. They should've paid me at least 2500 which would have been enough to buy a used car like a fiat, not a cool car to show off and raise my status but good enough to travel with


i'm looking for a good therapist but it's really difficult, at least in my area, it's very expensive and all they offer is some bluepill advice. i don't know how i can find a good therapist without wasting money, the only way to try them out is to pay for the first session which is 100euros

I will ignore my depressive thoughts about beign too old or not good looking enough for young girls, i think in my case the best i can do is just to ignore those thoughts and take action anyway, even if they're trues there's no point in thinking about the possible negative outcomes

i booked a tattoo session to get a full sleeve, it will actually be expensive but the artist is amazing and has a lot of followers on ig, he's in Milan area

 

[Thrice]

i asked for a raise, i told them they have to give what they owe me for all th extra hours i did in january and this month or leave. At my age it's not time to be a pussy, anyway they said they will give me way more money this month, let's see if it's true.
Out of 31 matches i got now 5 of them want to date, all this five girls are at about 50km/30 miles distance, it shows how much i need a car, those 30 miles are easy with a car but a huge pain in the ass with the train, what many people dont is that in Italy only the famous touristic cities have good railway connection, going just from parma to Mantua is a pain

i'm thinking of doing two jobs to be able to get a car and pay for the full sleeve tattoo, keep my daily job and deliver pizza at night, i would make 2000k/month easly but i wouldnt be able to lift and i already had a 2 months beak from lifting

another thing i'm thinking about doing is to use the company car to go on dates, the car has a gps of course but i doubt they check it, if they find out and decide to fire me they can fuck off, i hate them after what they did anyway, they tried to pay me less to see if i'm a new immigrant who dosent know his rights, i'm not, i ended up doing this fucking job for other reason and i hope to improve and upgrade in the future

 

[Thrice]

wasent able to workout because i had stomach flu, it was bad, i slept for 2 days straight to recover. Tomorrow i will go back to my shitty cleaning job while looking for others jobs online. The goal is also to set up some tinder dates and use their car, they scummed me so i scum them back. Another girl agreed on a date today, she's near Milan, like 50 miles away from my city. If i get fired so be it, imagine cleaning toilets at 35.

I looked some therapists reviews online, hard to decide based on that alone but reading other peoples experiences helps. I don't have the money for coaching so i'm looking to create some sort of accountability group with some other broke guy that needs some motivation to not procrastinate. Hopefully one day i will have the money for real coaching.
I'm also looking for a friend to go out with on weekends, even if i start havig some sucess on tinder the quality is low on apps anyway, none of the girls that agreed to date is hot so night game is needed one way or another. Apps don't offer quality, might as well start hitting bars next weekend.

I think a good friend and a good therapist would change my life, i keep looking for both. Fucking a cute 19yo would change my life too so i'm also looking for that hahah

 

[Thrice]

i might have 2 or 3 dates (or zero if they flake), i want to buy a good jacket. The idea is black jacket and a simple grey hoodie that might be with zip or not. The advantage of zippers hoodie is if we sit down for a coffee i can just open the jacket without removing, underneath it i will have the hoodie and a good t shirt with necklace, of course in this case i would keep the zuppers open too.

In theory i have a sure date on sunday and taliking with two girls about a possible date tomorrow. I am bit hesitant and i have a bit of anxiety about my appearence. I had the flu two times this year and my face looks a bit dark and sunken. i will use this dates to see how girls react to my appearence live

ps. for context i will wear white nike force (the only good shoes i have) and black slim fit jeans. But let me know if you have other ideas

https://imgur.com/a/lbg8vtT

 

[Wnyhg]

Can I suggest a leather parka? There’s one on eBay for 44 bucks. I stand by parkas because through the entirety of my high school life I had a married woman chasing me and tracking me after she saw me wearing a faux Andrew Marc leather parka.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=BaUk32aS&id=0CC8D1BBF50A73318EE0869471313F78E92FD425&thid=OIP.BaUk32aSX9_gsn1ycyxcbQHaJc&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fcdnc.lystit.com%2fphotos%2fb1c6-2014%2f12%2f18%2fasos-black-leather-parka-jacket-product-1-25894442-2-930070234-normal.jpeg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.05a524df66925fdfe0b27d72732c5c6d%3frik%3dJdQv6Xg%252fMXGUhg%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=1110&expw=870&q=Men%27s+Leather+Parka&simid=608030094056560848&FORM=IRPRST&ck=61826ED7392C3B2D0B5A4F7ED7FEBC3D&selectedIndex=1&itb=0&PC=APPL

Also regarding the therapist. Start reading about CBT. Library cards are free and many PTs and therapists now just start with,” so what did you google?”

Andy has a few recs on books he’s read as well. Not saying a therapist is a bad thing. But start your journey now and start journaling.

Black is always a good start for clothing. I don’t know what’s @Radical take in this. He may mention some tailoring but you mention that you’ve been sick.

 

[Thrice]

Can I suggest a leather parka?

thanks for your advice brother, i live in Italy and i had the date for the day after, so i just bought the normal jacket which goes well for my style anyway, a leather parka would require overall more work to style it. What i have at home goes well with the jacket i bought, 40 euros from the chinese and it looks very https://imgur.com/a/bdScHSB


so i had this date on saturday, i used the car i work with, zero fucks given. As expected the girl was fatter in real life, normal face, lame personality. She said some feminist bullshit, complained about the guys she dates from tinder, she said she doesent like their personality

it was clear there's was no attraction on both sides. This is the first time i use a car to go on a date on another city. The goal is to see if this can work, meaning if i actually can succefully use tinder without moving completely but just using the car to go on dates in other cities in north Italy

this is an example of a conversation with a better looking girl that changed idea last minute, i also should have another day on https://imgur.com/a/xaBiuG6

 

[pancakemouse]

this is an example of a conversation with a better looking girl that changed idea last minute, i also should have another day on https://imgur.com/a/xaBiuG6

name one interesting thing this girl knows about you as far as why she would move her schedule around for you or go out with you as opposed to any other guy

 

[Thrice]

name one interesting thing this girl knows about you as far as why she would move her schedule around for you or go out with you as opposed to any other guy

this girls have the personality of a night stand. Every man is better than every woman. Notice the only time i didn't follow up she replied "mi fa piacere". If you speak italian you know how retarded that answer was and it was because i didn't follow up with a question after the "fine thanks"

Having said that i don't see where i had the opportunity to say something more interesting about me