What do you think of the so-called “old money style”?

[Vamos]

"Old Money Style" for men is characterized by a traditional and timeless approach to fashion and lifestyle. It emphasizes the use of high-quality, classic clothing items that exude sophistication and restraint. This style often includes well-tailored suits, shirts, and sweaters in muted colors such as navy, gray, beige, and white, along with classic accessories like leather shoes, leather watches, and leather belts. It's not about faking luxury, but rather a certain dress code.

Examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiLFqHYBLAI

 

[Red]

I think chicks love this and it looks fucking awesome.

If it fits your personality than I would say this is one of the best ways to dress.

 

[Vamos]

I think chicks love this and it looks fucking awesome.

If it fits your personality than I would say this is one of the best ways to dress.

Same here to be honest. If you can pull it off, i think it's the best way to dress as an adult male. It looks like the typical italian style and italian men are famous for being very well dressed.

 

[pancakemouse]

It's great, but with the following caveats:

1. It only works for guys with certain bodies and face shapes.
2. It only works for guys who rotate in certain social classes (or else it's incongruent).
3. It attracts a specific (though rather broad-reaching) archetype and age of woman.
4. If you're just normal or slightly above average-looking, you'll be provider-framed/put in the boyfriend box. Anyone above this in looks (which both of you are) will escape this.
5. It only works in certain locations. This kills in Milan but in Boise they're gonna look at you like you're a weirdo.

 

[Vamos]

It's great, but with the following caveats:

1. It only works for guys with certain bodies and face shapes.
2. It only works for guys who rotate in certain social classes (or else it's incongruent).
3. It only attracts a specific (though rather broad-reaching) archetype and age of woman.
4. If you're just normal or slightly above average-looking, you'll be provider-framed/put in the boyfriend box. Anyone above this in looks (which both of you are) will escape this.
5. It only works in certain locations. This kills in Milan but in Boise they're gonna look at you like you're a weirdo.

As always, good points from you, thanks!

1. Yeah, guys like for example Wayne Rooney can't pull off this style (former english soccer player, you're from the USA so you probably don't know him).

2. Yes, this definitely excludes certain women, lower educated classes for example. This is generally an interesting topic. This is generally an interesting topic. The relationship between attraction and socioeconomic class or "visual class".

3. What do you think the age group archetype would be?

4. Yes, as is often the case, appearance sets the frame for a lot of things.

5. That's also true, in central/northern and southern Europe you can dress like this, but you can't in Eastern Europe. That would probably also be weird in small German towns or villages, generally in the provinces.
No idea about Boise. Looks more provincial, right? At least that's what it looks like on the map.

 

[pancakemouse]

It's great, but with the following caveats:

1. It only works for guys with certain bodies and face shapes.
2. It only works for guys who rotate in certain social classes (or else it's incongruent).
3. It only attracts a specific (though rather broad-reaching) archetype and age of woman.
4. If you're just normal or slightly above average-looking, you'll be provider-framed/put in the boyfriend box. Anyone above this in looks (which both of you are) will escape this.
5. It only works in certain locations. This kills in Milan but in Boise they're gonna look at you like you're a weirdo.

As always, good points from you, thanks!

1. Yeah, guys like for example Wayne Rooney can't pull off this style (former english soccer player, you're from the USA so you probably don't know him).

2. Yes, this definitely excludes certain women, lower educated classes for example. This is generally an interesting topic. This is generally an interesting topic. The relationship between attraction and socioeconomic class or "visual class".

3. What do you think the age group archetype would be?

4. Yes, as is often the case, appearance sets the frame for a lot of things.

5. That's also true, in central/northern and southern Europe you can dress like this, but you can't in Eastern Europe. That would probably also be weird in small German towns or villages, generally in the provinces.
No idea about Boise. Looks more provincial, right? At least that's what it looks like on the map.

1. Sir, I'll have you know that Wayne Rooney is a household name in America.

3. For girls within a very narrow old money archetype, any age. But this is 0.1% of girls, in America at least. Maybe 1% of girls in NYC because there's lots of old money here. In general though, girls 24+ of most basic archetypes would be attracted to this, in the United States at least. 18-23 are looking for an edgier, trendier guy.

 

[kratjeuh]

Old money is an amazing style but it has a lot of practical drawbacks

1. This style is hyper in trend which means that the competition is very high. Pancake makes a good point that you need to be above attractive to not be a beta. Give it a couple months and you need to be way above average for the same results.

2. It’s hella expensive to just try out. If you have the money sure, but if you’re not rich, it stings if you get a piece that’s just not it.

3. It’s a nightmare to wash all these damn shirts, especially the linnen ones. You’ll either spent a lot of money or time making sure these clothes stay neat.

 

[Vice]

pancakemouse nailed it.

It screams provider. Not edgy. It also seems extremely tryhard in my opinion.

 

[Vamos]

Old money is an amazing style but it has a lot of practical drawbacks

1. This style is hyper in trend which means that the competition is very high. Pancake makes a good point that you need to be above attractive to not be a beta. Give it a couple months and you need to be way above average for the same results.

2. It’s hella expensive to just try out. If you have the money sure, but if you’re not rich, it stings if you get a piece that’s just not it.

3. It’s a nightmare to wash all these damn shirts, especially the linnen ones. You’ll either spent a lot of money or time making sure these clothes stay neat.

I'm not sure, could it be that you were from Switzerland? At least here in Germany, almost no one walks around like that, Germans are generally extremely poorly dressed. I got the inspiration because I was in Italy in May and France in September and men there were much better dressed, more along the lines of the style mentioned. The trend among young people in Germany is currently oversized and baggy basic clothes, large prints, something you don't see in the other two countries.

pancakemouse nailed it.

It screams provider. Not edgy. It also seems extremely tryhard in my opinion.

Yeah, the examples above look a bit tryhard, that's true :lol: . I'll maybe look for better ones for other people who might see the thread. Actually it's just classic traditional Mediterranean men's fashion in certain colors.
By edgy you probably mean the style that most people here on the forum go for? Leather jacket, accessories. Rocker, bad boy, fuckboy style?

 

[Foducossy]

It's great, but with the following caveats:

1. It only works for guys with certain bodies and face shapes.
2. It only works for guys who rotate in certain social classes (or else it's incongruent).
3. It attracts a specific (though rather broad-reaching) archetype and age of woman.
4. If you're just normal or slightly above average-looking, you'll be provider-framed/put in the boyfriend box. Anyone above this in looks (which both of you are) will escape this.
5. It only works in certain locations. This kills in Milan but in Boise they're gonna look at you like you're a weirdo.

Curious if this is a style I can wear then. I hired a personal stylist a while back and bought a lot of clothes from him that fit this aesthetic.

 

[Vamos]

It's great, but with the following caveats:

1. It only works for guys with certain bodies and face shapes.
2. It only works for guys who rotate in certain social classes (or else it's incongruent).
3. It attracts a specific (though rather broad-reaching) archetype and age of woman.
4. If you're just normal or slightly above average-looking, you'll be provider-framed/put in the boyfriend box. Anyone above this in looks (which both of you are) will escape this.
5. It only works in certain locations. This kills in Milan but in Boise they're gonna look at you like you're a weirdo.

Curious if this is a style I can wear then. I hired a personal stylist a while back and bought a lot of clothes from him that fit this aesthetic.

I saw some of you pics, you can pull it off. Btw how much did you pay for a personal stylist in London? I had the same idea yesterday

 

[Holden]

I'd say it only works if you're in the Mediterranean, good face, and a decent amount of muscle mass.

You can always add edge with tattoos, rings, necklaces. That's not really the problem imo.

it's more that it screams "Nice, France" and not "Cologne, Germany" or whatever.

Girls are dressed like absolute shit btw, wearing oversized pants and sweaters. I've also noticed more and more girls put up an "ugly" pic on Tinder on purpose where they try to look as bad as possible because it's probably ironic and quirky or whatever. A huge amount also putting stuff like "if you wear skinny jeans, swipe left" on their bio.

I've been thinking myself on how to evolve from the edgy fuckboy outfits as I'm nearing 30. I don't want to be 35 and dressing like a punk rocker. I'm slowly but surely adding more blazers and button-up shirts to my style and while it's very effective so far I have a feeling that girls in the 18-21 y/o range don't vibe with that as much. I don't want to dress like these zoomer guys tho lmao

 

[Vamos]

Girls are dressed like absolute shit btw, wearing oversized pants and sweaters. I've also noticed more and more girls put up an "ugly" pic on Tinder on purpose where they try to look as bad as possible because it's probably ironic and quirky or whatever. A huge amount also putting stuff like "if you wear skinny jeans, swipe left" on their bio.

I've been thinking myself on how to evolve from the edgy fuckboy outfits as I'm nearing 30. I don't want to be 35 and dressing like a punk rocker. I'm slowly but surely adding more blazers and button-up shirts to my style and while it's very effective so far I have a feeling that girls in the 18-21 y/o range don't vibe with that as much. I don't want to dress like these zoomer guys tho lmao

That's true haha, many women explicitly use completely degenerate pictures with ugly facial expressions, e.g. with a bottle of wine, a joint and their pants down in the toilet, not kidding, that's not uncommon in my city.

I'm still unsure how an adult, masculine, classic style affects young women. So far, despite being over 30, I have zero problems with young women (elt's say below 23). Here in Germany most men over 30 look like teenagers when it comes to their clothing style, really no difference at all. But I want to progress visually and not dress like an over-30 yo clown just to impress some 19-year-old.
But I have no idea if that's really the case. In the end it's often just about one thing: Do you look hot or not.

 

[Holden]

In my experience as of late I get hotter girls, but less of them. But I think that might just be the polarizing effect of my age itself, not necessarily due to my style. Some girls simply go crazy for well-dressed older guys and other girls just want an edgy fuckboy of their own age.

I'm still tweaking and experimenting though. Honestly I think that as time passes I'll just get into actual suits, add some rings for edge, open up a few more buttons than strictly socially acceptable. Another thing is I don't want to go to "young people" parties anymore -- I want classier venues and classier girls.

New territory for me though, so take all of this with a grain of salt.

 

[AskTheDom]

It's great, but with the following caveats:

1. It only works for guys with certain bodies and face shapes.
2. It only works for guys who rotate in certain social classes (or else it's incongruent).
3. It attracts a specific (though rather broad-reaching) archetype and age of woman.
4. If you're just normal or slightly above average-looking, you'll be provider-framed/put in the boyfriend box. Anyone above this in looks (which both of you are) will escape this.
5. It only works in certain locations. This kills in Milan but in Boise they're gonna look at you like you're a weirdo.

Agree especially on point 4. - I would say at least needs a counter balance

 

[Foducossy]

just get into actual suits, add some rings for edge, open up a few more buttons than strictly socially acceptable

Hahaha literally my picture. I don’t wear suits day to day but holy shit I really love that grey suit/black shirt combi. Got the suit from my stylist. One tip from him was to wear interesting colours for suits, don’t wear black/navy because it’s too normal. He’s a dating coach as well, not same gay stylist, so he knows his shit when it comes to fashion that attracts women.

Edit: no offence intended to gays. I really don’t care what you get up to. I just meant that he is a stylist who focuses on males attracting females, not just for you to look good in general.
Speaking of…

I saw some of you pics, you can pull it off. Btw how much did you pay for a personal stylist in London? I had the same idea yesterday

I paid £850 for the full wardrobe styling service and blew £3500 on the clothes — this covers turtlenecks, shirts, rings, necklaces, a cuff, 3 pairs of shoes, 3 pairs of jeans, 7 pairs of trousers, my denim jacket and leather jacket and a few other things. I have a second session (covered in the 850) for the winter styling and expect to blow another £1000 on winter stuff like coats and jumpers and maybe a boot or two.

Btw I have found that uttering to girls the words “my personal stylist” is a DHV and a DLV at the same time. They think it’s awesome that I care about my style. But they sometimes wonder if I was dressing poorly before — I have to explain that I was dressing well, but my stylist elevated it and saved me a lot of time shopping for new clothes. (This is true. I was going on dates and getting compliments on my style by girls before I even hired my stylist — one of those girls is a beauty pageant finalist.) I think that explaining that my time is more valuable than money is also a DHV, just need to do it in a subtle way. Not that you should get a stylist just for this, but if you do it’s a bonus.

 

[AskTheDom]

Btw I have found that uttering to girls the words “my personal stylist” is a DHV and a DLV at the same time. They think it’s awesome that I care about my style. But they sometimes wonder if I was dressing poorly before

I would be scared to death actually by another thing: being putted in the provider bucket and having to "date, dinner and drinks" instead of "let's fuck in the handicapped people toilet after a shot of tequila at a seedy bar"

 

[Foducossy]

I would be scared to death actually by another thing: being putted in the provider bucket and having to "date, dinner and drinks" instead of "let's fuck in the handicapped people toilet after a shot of tequila at a seedy bar"

Yes shows of wealth can lead to that and I have been concerned about it too. Yet it is an attraction trigger in women and just very interesting — also potentially a pull reason. (Haven’t needed it, but “wanna check out the clothes my stylist bought me?” Is probably a good reason given that girls who do come back “for a drink” ask me to show them the clothes.) So I think the value of this has to be balanced against the risk of being put in the provider bucket. I have not had a problem with this yet. I will keep writing date logs as they come and we can see if this starts becoming a problem.

Personally I take them to a super chill area for drinks, nothing fancy, food market vibes. So that may balance out the provider vibes. I pay for the drink though but maybe I’ll have to stop doing so to set the right frame.

The dates I’ve been on where I got laid were pre-suit-picture. I’m interested to see if the suit picture for new matches and new dates affects their expectations.

 

[Vamos]

Thx a lot foducossy42 for your insides!

The issue of the provider role has come up more often here in the topic.
I think that there is fundamentally no problem if a woman sees provider qualities in a man. This is definitely a male attribute and one part (of many) for attraction. BUT it's a problem when it's the ONLY attribute of a man. The avergae Joe without any plus points/edges and just provider qualities is a beta provider, yes. A well-dressed Chad who has both feet in life and could provide is a Chad who has his shit together. As with so many things in life: It depends.

You can think what you want about the Tate brothers, but here is an interesting conversation about it. Even if you don't see things that way, it's an interesting topic. It all depends on what “caliber” of man you are and things are perceived completely differently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMsnmzST654

I also agree that you need something edgy about you and it could be bad to be completely "clean". This can be achieved with small accessories. The right sunglasses (the French and Italians have a really good sunglasses game) e.g. Ray-Ban Wayfarer (I prefer the lite version), Aviator or the Persol 649 (sadly it doesn't fit on my nose) are good models for this. Otherwise just the right watch, bracelet, necklace, possibly rings. Not too much and not too little. Maybe tats, i dont' wan't them yet. And few muscles never hurt. And most importantly the way you behave, speak etc.

Bonus:
My game is 100% directly or indirectly online (like probably many people here). I even pull women I meet in real life to my Instagram because I have built up a good profile. Here, in addition to status, lifestyle, looks, you can also show a certain kind of edginess.

 

[Vamos]

I added this video to the starting post. I think he shows the style quite well and the examples look extremely good, not too extreme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiLFqHYBLAI