MakingAComeback said:I work hard on biz, which is a primary focus, and also, as a secondary focus, date.
Dating, is cold approach 7 days a week, online 7 days a week, night game 2 nights a week.
This is split properly into focus 1 & 2, in alignment with how Chris from GLL advised. I am literally doing this just as he would suggest.
jakeD said:I really still refuse to believe that you can't get hot girls. Maybe not through cold approach and online dating though.
But that you can't be rich and successful and banging hot chicks? Don't believe it.
I'd also be careful with crafting so much identity and pride out of grinding. Is it good to work hard? Definitely. But you need to let yourself win and relax too. If all you are is grinding, it's almost like you're teaching yourself you are worthless and don't deserve success, just constant masochism and pain and hard work. Don't take it too far or get so wrapped up in it you can't see the forest for the trees, you know?
You are more than just some masochistic work horse whose only value is that works his ass off 24 / 7.
jakeD said:What you say about low SMV is also true to a good extent. Although I do think there are solutions for low SMV men. That is where we would differ.
But guys like me and you, we are just naturally not meant to fuck hot girls. It's just how it is. Other dudes it comes either naturally and easily, or they can push themselves some and then get lots of success.
Anyone saying diff, is full of shit.
We got shafted bro. Just the way it is.
Renton said:How do you think you come across to women in a daygame scenario, honestly? How do you think they perceive you?
jakeD said:I think honestly it's still what I've already told you. It's a nice guy thing with you. And vibe + game. Looks is part of it, but I don't believe it's 100% your looks that is causing this.
Problem is, that is deeply who you are as a person, and changing it will be very difficult and weird / incongruent. Both to yourself and to women combined.
The question isn't just can you get girls, it's can you get girls without having to become some sort of fake character that isn't remotely you. The natural you is not a person that women, especially hot ones, find compelling. As you've already discovered.
People limit their thinking alot. This community is largely about getting girls with cold approach / OLD. But there is tons of ways to get girls and those are more like unusual niche ways to do it that most guys don't practice nor care about and obviously plenty of "normal" guys fuck attractive girls and more importantly get attractive girlfriends. And don't participate in communities like this. I think the red / black pill gives itself too much credit. I think most people and society in general are intuitively aware of SMV and the social hierarchy and etc. It's not like some fucking secret that only a few guys on the internet have figured out and everyone else is just a moron.
Getting girls is not fucking rocket science. Including hot girls. I'm pretty sure I understand exactly why it is I don't fuck hot girls. I'm not really confused about it. The only thing i'm confused about is if I can somehow supercede that through very unconventional means such as pure vibe with cold approach. Not really cause it's even practical, just out of pure fascination and curiosity about it that I for some reason have an obsession with and always have. I've always been obsessed with girls and pick up and fucking them and sex etc for whatever reason. I'm sure most people don't really care that much. As you said though, we are obviously both strange people in our own ways.
I see tons of "normies" all fucking day with attractive girlfriends. Maybe they don't fuck 100 hot girls off cold approach or whatever, but obviously (some) normal men score attractive girls all the time. That's why the blackpill is also pretty ridiculous to me. At least at the levels some people have taken it to.
In "normal" life the girls you get are pretty simple. They are a function of similarity really. Basically you get girls that are similar to you in terms of looks level, income level, status level, lifestyle, interests, career, etc.
Like where I live it's simply like have a cool car, some money, a place, dress good and look good enough at least and have modern style. And at least have basic competent social and sexual ability. Like that's it. I see stupid generic guys all the time who do that, while looking down my nose at them by the way, all the time and guess what, they have hotter girlfriends than me too.
Even on here there is like a KYIL fuck boy style. Certain level of fitness. Certain level of looks. Pretty much nail that, take good pics with a good camera or hire someone, and as long as you can get your dick hard and are at least relatively socially normal and capable, you can probably nail at least attractive girls from OLD. Or cold approach if you have the balls. But cold approach isn't even necessary. Most guys can do pretty well just dressing right, taking good photos, and reaching a SMV threshold. Which plenty of posters on here do.
I think your looks aren't great, not horrible either, but you've improved them alot. But I think you both are lacking in SMV to some extent but also this is still a vibe / game issue.
If you were more aggressive and dark triad and evil so to speak (don't laugh) I think you could totally nail tons of hot girls at your SMV. Especially if you like got rich or something and stacked other stuff onto it. And if you're already grinding this hard as it is, why the fuck not?
There is more to getting girls than just walking up to them at the mall. Get rich, get status, social circle, etc. This community is more about just hitting the SMV threshold though or far surpassing it then hitting OLD primarily but also cold approach for some people. That is a legitimate approach. But it isn't the only one.
And every dude who does it so far and is pretty successful with it also tends to be pretty good looking and already somewhat socially capable generally.
Either way though I think beyond just your SMV is just the way you are with girls is limiting you. Even if you get more money or status whatever I think it will still hold you back too.
I'm different than you in the sense that I'm pretty good with women already in alot of ways and they are very into me, just not the hot ones. I do really good in my little niche but women outside of it won't even touch me. To get them, I'd have change that thing I just talked about. That similarity issue. Up my looks, my style, my car, my place, my pics, play that part basically all those "normie" guys I despise and hate do and join them. Either that or become so overwhemingly stacked in vibe and swagger that somehow i can do it off pure cold approach alone combined with the fact too that I'm pretty fucking good at sex. Those are my two options.
I self sabotage really. I already know all this, I just keep ignoring it and instead stay the same and keep fucking trashy weird chicks and being a scumbag lol. Even though I need to move past it and dislike it alot, I also enjoy it and am pretty attached to it in a way.
Even though I do a bunch of drugs now and am broke and fuck a bunch of weird crazy street girls, I'm actually a upper class white kid by nature. I grew up near cherry creek highschool, my dad had a good job making over 120k+ per year, I lived in a wealthy upper class white neighborhood although we weren't super loaded, but definitely upper middle class. I grew up with a bunch of hot high status girls. I know how they are and how that world works. Those were my friends growing up. Idk if I mentioned on here before, but I was homeschooled from middle school until I dropped out in highschool. From the 8th grade til 10th grade i went to this school for like 2 days a week and was home schooled the rest of the time. And it was other kids in the same program so it was like 10 ppl in each class or something.
My issues naturally are that I'm not that good looking. And also and even more importantly, I was super socially awkward and weird. Very mentally ill. And porn addicted. And had terrible ED. And etc. I was lame as fuck for the longest time. I'm just highly emotionally intelligent so I taught myself out of it over many years. That plus all the biohacking I discovered of course.
Even though my results still suck, I've actually come insanely far really. Sometimes I forget to give myself credit for that. Compared to my starting point.
My fuckboy cousin is also wealthy and higher status and good looking. And he fucks all the girls I wish I could. Is he any better than me? Is his game any better?
Not really. He is just young and "matches" with these girls in similarity like I said. For him it's as easy as it is with me with all the average and less attractive girls I hit from OLD. He only does OLD too. Although he absolutely fucking crushes with it. He is insanely good with women. He learned from me from a very young age lol.
But that's literally it. That's what is holding me back and I'm just stubborn and refuse to change it. With you I think it's a bit different but what I already said. If I was in your shoes I'd get rich and get status and also become alot more dark and aggressive and less "good". I'm literally being serious. At that point I'd think you could get some pretty smoking hot girls. Will you actually do that and do you even want to and is that even you or what you want is another story.
Sorry for the long rant but just wanted to share this. I could go on about this for a long time. But i've been thinking about it alot lately.
MakingAComeback said:Renton said:How do you think you come across to women in a daygame scenario, honestly? How do you think they perceive you?
Hey man
I think, they seem me as quite chill, nice, pleasant
I get day game dates, chicks reply to me and are quite cool with that
Sticking point is, converting, sexualising, and creating a man to woman vibe
But working on it!
In the UK, it was legit impossible. Moved to Budapest, it got better.
Definitely have a big issue with attraction & attractiveness. I think I need to hit the gym for like another year hardcore, because facially and overall attractiveness wise, it's a right uphill battle.
But that's cool, no excuses being made here dude
Renton said:MakingAComeback said:Hey man
I think, they seem me as quite chill, nice, pleasant
I get day game dates, chicks reply to me and are quite cool with that
Sticking point is, converting, sexualising, and creating a man to woman vibe
But working on it!
In the UK, it was legit impossible. Moved to Budapest, it got better.
Definitely have a big issue with attraction & attractiveness. I think I need to hit the gym for like another year hardcore, because facially and overall attractiveness wise, it's a right uphill battle.
But that's cool, no excuses being made here dude
You say you get dates but exactly how many dates do you get? What is your approach-to-date ratio?
Can you upload an infield recording of one of your sets? Have you ever done that?
I wonder whether you come across as too intense / have a heaviness / seriousness about you or something else off about your vibe the girls can pick up on and you can't see yourself.
jakeD said:One other thing I'd add is also what is your "thing". For me for example, it's drugs and being a scumbag and strangely and for whatever reason, that is my archetype right now. Even though I'd say I don't remotely look the part. But those girls have always been drawn to me. It's so fucking weird. It chose me really I didn't chose it, although now I've kind of like embraced it and become it.
But like what about you is your "thing" that girls will like? Biohacking? Your business? No offense but those are things girls just don't really care that much about.
Other posters on here who do well also have a "thing". I know it's often called archetype too or whatever. I'm kind of talking about the same thing basically.
Basically how I've seen it work is there is a bunch of different niches or "archetypes" or whatever you can occupy and then there is a hierarchy within those archetypes. With the top guys of whatever archetype fucking the top girls in it.
What is your "archetype" or thing though? I don't see one. "Wealthy dominant dark triad brown guy" is actually an archetype and the one i was encouraging here.
MakingAComeback said:Renton said:You say you get dates but exactly how many dates do you get? What is your approach-to-date ratio?
Can you upload an infield recording of one of your sets? Have you ever done that?
I wonder whether you come across as too intense / have a heaviness / seriousness about you or something else off about your vibe the girls can pick up on and you can't see yourself.
Yo Renton,
Umm, so I will be honest I have never broken it down to an approach to date ratio! Gonna be transparent about that, but to answer your question in the best way I can, I got to Budapest June 3rd, approached 7 days a week, talking to at least 5 girls a day. Night game I do crazy numbers. Overall, lets say I talked to roughly 50 women a week. From that, over 3 weeks, I got 2 day game dates.
Regarding heaviness and such, I will be honest, in the UK I did have a touch of that because I got quite depressed at one point as the women were just so hardcore unreceptive and after a lot of that, I started to get so bummed over it and I would head out to day game and just not want to be there, at all. I noticed that happening at around Jan/Feb of this year, and just decided to draw a line under any form of approaching in the UK. Was this a failure or some type of weakness my end? Yeah, probably. I should have done the inner work to not be worn out by it, but in my defence, that was happening to me after 1.5 years of daily approaches. Everyone will get sick of things going nowhere for that protracted length of time. Very human.
I did break that cycle, and now, I do not feel like that at all. Which is good. I do genuinely enjoy just milling around chatting to different women, it's fun. I am generally approaching or socialising/chatting, all day man.
Regarding infields and such, this is outside the scope of the forum man. Yes, I've recorded both video and audio. But this is not allowed on the forum and if I see people posting infield video or audio, I will warn them first, and then it's a ban.
Andy/Radical, advocate a very ethics and honesty-based approach, whilst they are open to guys experimenting with game and such, generally, they don't advocate tactics or any of this stuff at all man. We HAVE to respect that 100%. No debating Andy/Radical here. I will not tolerate it and will rip it out root & stem. That is one thing I am immovable on.
Thanks,
MAC
Thrice said:do you think one year of lifting would make a difference? i think not to be honest, unless you take aas. Why not lift heavy in a deficit to get the leanest you ever been and see what happens?
MakingAComeback said:We'll celebrate together. It won't be long now.
Thrice said:MakingAComeback said:We'll celebrate together. It won't be long now.
we'll beat the odds brother!