7 Month Dry Spell: The Final Options
Return to the UK: Back to Deep Scarcity
Getting off the plane, it was like entering a different world
The glances, the warmth, the curiosity disappeared.
Nothing unusual for me. Lived here for 31 years. But it was curious to see.
Network event Friday: good. Connect with everyone, shoot content, interview people, and have a good time. A guy who is very high level was speaking, I met him before at a dinner, and we’ve built a relationship from a private dinner I attended with my friend V in Dec 22. We hang out after the event, and go to one of Londons most exclusive private member’s clubs causing chaos. So fun. I got chatting with one gal in the event, we exchanged IGs, I asked her if she's up for a drink after the networking event, she said maybe and flirted a little. Lol. She then told me at the end she has to go home. I didn't care obv and went to hang out with the guys.
In this time, everyone wants to know me, life feels so abundant, and I feel like a High Value Man like everyone else.
I am in a great mood and go to approach Sat morning. I’ve done a few hundred approaches here in the UK this year This has been fun, I’ve learned and grown.
It was a shock to the system to approach here on Sat. Where there was warmth from the women of Poland, where there was kindness and just human compassion
In the UK, those warm smiles were nowhere to be found
The beaming eyes were nowhere to be found.
The eyes turned to stone.
The expressions were steely disinterest
Sat cold approaches:
1 Nice Canadian lady, she was edgy,didn't want to talk, but then told me she had a bf
2 “In a rush”
3 Asian girl, stopped, listened to my opener, then just said “No, sorry” and walked away
4 Wouldn’t stop,, kept edging away
5 Nice, she really didn’t want to stop, she was edging the whole time. I did a solid stop. She then just paused, and said “Look, I am not interested at all, but thanks”. All good.
6 Stopped, but not vibing. Curiously enough, she said the same thing as the above chick. “You seem cool, but I am not interested, sorry”
7 Super unreceptive, I complimented her, she heard it and just sayd “thanks” and darted away
8 She refused to stop, deflected hard, waved her hand in my face and said “Not interested”
9 Perfect stop. Began to talk. She then said “I’m going to stop you here. I’m not interested, but thanks for taking the time to talk”. She delivered this in quite a stern tone and it was clear she did not appreciate it.
10 HARD deflection. And then, two fat chicks walking by me – one stops, turns to me, and tells me “you are pathetic”. Sure. Try and stop me. Deal with it ;-)
After the high of Krakow, this was a return to business as usual
I went back to Carls and just lay in bed for an hour.
I posted in my chat to get some advice.
I have been trialling my new profile in the UK for a few days, I haven’t said anything to anyone, but it’s produced no changes whatsoever. I am not myself surprised. I understand my fate was sealed a long time ago. I was just curious to see if this was fixable.
It was not.
I ask for advise, and ask HONESTY if I am simply too ugly, too brown to get ANY chick who isn’t wayyyyyyyyyyyy below my own looks level to go out with me in this popuation of 67 million people?
It is suggested that whilst not great, I should be around a 6, and should be able to get SOMEONE to give me a shot.
My ulfiltered face and body are attached. I worked SO HARD FOR THIS. I FUCKING KILLED MYSELF.
Yes, not an oil painting. Far from what will cut it in this game. This is what I have. I must deal with it.
The feedback I get in the UK from the environment is horrible. Online is brutal for me. Day and Night Game, simply makes me want to blow my brains out. What disturbs me, is the fact that this just doesn't change. Month after month. Year after year.
I change.
I do the work.
My results do not.
I DO NOT understand this.
But I am persistent as fuck and if there is ANY hope, even a small chance of success, I will keep going. Remember, I’ve done over 5,000 approaches here.
The chat tells me, to go out and approach again. They tell me it should not be completely impossible.
But I just want to see.
Average Looking, Brown, Autistic Spectrum. Is it a death sentence?
Maybe.
Maybe not.
This DOES not stop me.
I PERSIST
I do not allow the limiting views of other people to destroy me, I show up and just make the world deal with me.
FUCK EM
I go out, with an honest objective to just see if SOMEONE will talk to me.
There has to be SOMEONE.
I give myself an hour to decide my fate.
The past 7 months in the UK have been tough, but I hung on through sheer faith.
The shock to the system of being back here, after Krakow, is real.
I am asking the Universe for just one small sign within this hour to enable me to keep faith.
Will MAC be able to out work God’s plan? Or is the Blackpill truly going to ?
1 – She stops, listens, but just doesn’t vibe. She is very unreceptive and it is clear she is not interested man. I get it. Wish her a good day and just let her go.
2 – Stops, listens, is quite pleasant. Cool!
The gears in my head begin to turn…..OK, this is good…..These girls are ok. About a 5 I’d say. They atleast chatted a little. I am not approaching very pretty women or anything like that guys before you call me out on that.
3 – Stops, but clearly is busy. She is late for something. I thank her and let her be on her way – no probs
They’re WAY better than they were this morning. Interesting.
And then……...
4 – Stops, and just receptive and NICE. It was like being in Krakow again. The set is HORRIBLE. I am all over the place, and in a bad head space. She is still nice. She gives me her number! WIN.
I text her, she didn’t reply, understandably, but the fact she was nice, is epic.
Report back to the chat.
I’ve taken Ls for 7 months straight, yes.
But I am not yet completely defeated.
This exchange, is the first day game exchange I have had in London this year. I've done about 200 approaches here. Same number in Bristol. No success.
There is still SOME hope, and SOME fight left in me.
I opt to go home, rest up, recalibrate, and find a way to move forward.
Seeking Advice:
Look, I hope to god I do not have to go through this life alone.
There is still time, and still an opportunity for a brighter future, I will persist and keep pushing.
Let’s pause for a moment.
This is OVER TWO YEARS IN.
I am asking for advice to see if there is anything I can do in order to have some dating success.
I mean, ANYTHING.
Yes, I will now be moving because unfortunately, I was unable to build a dating life here and get a taste of the life I want
I am NOT feeling good about the Budapest move, because I got 0 success there too. I am VERY sketchy on it and will have to explain this to Paw
I got a tonne of numbers, lots more matches, lots of dates, but nothing physical happened. The women were very conservative, yes, it was a strange experience, but I took insane levels of action here (10-20 approaches a day, night game 4/5 nights a week) and collected lots of numbers, went on lots of dates, lots of pulls. And nothing to show for it.
Same happened in Krakow each time I went. But this time, atleast they were nice to me.
This theme has underpinned my entire journey.
Lots of work.
Lots of talk.
Lots of promises.
No improvements to outcomes.
............What gives?
Why does this happen across every metric?
Improve everything that can be improved.
New Photos. Same Outcomes.
We’ve significantly improved my photos over the course of time.
I worked my damn butt off to make this happen.
Orthotopic work & Upper Palatial Expansion: Took 2 years and spent £10k+
Style overhauls: repeatedly.
Hair Transplant Surgery: ~£10K
Inner work, Mindset work ~2years
Hardcore gym work.
2,000+ approaches (0 lays), infield coaching, bootcamps, recording and analysing audios
Date game overhaul, again and again
I listen to everything I am told and truly trusted other people and believe what they tell. They told me this would work.
I was told the more I improve myself, the more my situation will improve.
I did that.
And yet.
It didn’t.
I am left in a horrible position.
I went hard as fuck in the gym.
Done the photoshoots.
I just want to know why this never changes my outcomes?
Uploaded my new pics to Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, and Facebook dating.
2hr boost on Tinder, in London. 1 match, an obese chick.
Liked 700 profiles on Hinge, in London, none liked back. I ran a 1hr boost in Chicago as an experiment, no likes.
Bumble, boosted, no likes.
Facebook, used all my swipes, no matches.
In Krakow, I got 140 matches. NONE replied. ZERO.
Collected numbers from day game - nothing happened.
Just like every trip I did before that.
I AM OUT OF IDEAS
Blasting gym and self improvement
Overhauling my dating profiles and photos again and again
Approaching endlessly, tweaking every variable
Seeking Advice: Is There ANYTHING I Can Do?
I do not even know what to think to be quite honest.
I’ve listened to Andy & Radical from the start. I didn’t argue and did exactly what they told me. I listened to everyone who has mentored and advised me.
These people did their best, were superb, and it is entirely my own failure. I take full responsibility. I did exactly what was instructed, applied 100% effort and focus, was consistent, diligent, and did exactly what I was supposed to do.
It just didn’t work.
The truth is, I am not sure these people understand what to do in order to improve my situation. I am the retard who trusted and believed what was said, it's my own fault. Is what it is.
It took some going, but I believed it was possible to build a dating life and to meet women who would want to know me.
I was able to attract very fat, mentally ill undesirables. I do like the memories of many of my lays.
2 years ago, I went on a date with someone I find attractive, and we had sex.
That NEVER happened again.
This was a singular event.
I could never recreate it despite all my efforts.
Despite what I was told - it was just theory. Just thoughts. I did the actions. The outcomes didn't come.
Why was I only able to get fat chicks and trolls and settle for people I do not find physically attractive?
Why is match quality and frequency so low?
Why do I have to settle for sleeping with women who are wayyyyyyyy below my own looks level with extreme infrequency (average is once every 5/6 months).
All these questions, I was just unable to ever find an answer for.
I have improved myself and for this, I am glad and proud.
I have done the work and not complained for 7 months, guys. I have truly, truly persisted in horrible times.
This sucks, as you can imagine. I WISH there was a world I lived in where I could just get ONE person I like to date me. ONE. Out of a population of almost 70 million people, what shocks me is I was unable to find ONE human being I feel attraction for to date me.
I did not want to believe this about the human animal, about the world we live in, about the fundamental decency of humanity.
I do not want to believe that this is where all the advice I was given, the coaching, everything I did, has led me.
It is shocking and I wish it wasn’t like this.
But I do not know what I can do about it?
Going to Krakow, I was able to see serious changes in how I was received. This does not of course happen in the UK, and this truly worries me, because I have never had success in Krakow or Budapest or anywhere outside of the UK. These things never did lead anywhere and I am not sure they will. Being a shiny object is fun. There are no other very tall brown men there. It was cool and everyone was super cool to me, friendly, trying to help me, give me info, translate things. I really appreciated it.
I have persisted for multiple years now off blind faith that a better future and life is possible for myself. I of course do I want to avoid a future of having to settle for very unattractive, obese and otherwise quite abnormal undesirables
Because the work we’ve done has only gotten me success with very unattractive and fat women, I am very bummed about this and it makes me so fearful about the future because I do not want to live like this
Whilst I appreciate I was a 29 year old virgin, I do not want to pay the price for this for the rest of my life. Futhermore, I was told that I could actually get a dating life I would want.
This didn’t occur.
I decided NOT to accept my fate and instead to improve myself, which is admirable.
This is over 2 years into my journey. I’ve had a disappointing experience that has left me so confused, but I have persisted and persisted and just forged an individual who is made out of iron
But even so, as hard as it has been to persist, I question whether this premise of finding someone who I like who will date me is actually outside the realm of possibility.
As insane as that sounds, remember, I have done this for YEARS, and have just had to eat shit, get my head kicked in, and trust my coaches and advisor for the entire duration despite being unable to produce any kind of results or outcomes that would be acceptable.
My current situation is not acceptable, and not what I signed up for to put it mildly. Whilst life is unfair I just take issue with the premise that I must accept the leftovers and undesirables and be happy with that.
I worked on myself. Hard. I did this, to get a better result.
I am sad that I have been unable to improve my dating life and create the kind of life I wanted to live, of course, but I am trying to work out if there is a solution to this.
If self-improvement does not work, what option remains?
If photo shoot after photo shoot doesn’t change anything.
If overhauling my profile time and time again does nothing.
If blasting the gym and body does not yield returns.
If approaching and approaching, thousands of times, making ongoing adjustments and corrections, does not produce any results.
Then what the FUCK can I even do at this stage?
Everyone has a different answer.
It’s this
It’s that.
You’re just not there yet.
Give it a few more years.
This, that, and many other takes.
Taking these things on board and applying them
What results are produced?
NONE
Same as ever.
In the UK, it feels like there is no amount of self-improvement I could do in ten lifetimes to survive here
I have run my new profile in London, liked 1000 girls profiles on hinge, and got zero likes
I ran a two-hour boost in London, and got 1 very obese match
I ran a boost on bumble and got zero likes
I swiped through profiles on Facebook dating and got zero matches
I do not require a woman who is obviously attractive to date. I am happy with someone who is a normal girl, not fat, and not obviously unattractive. Like myself, about a 5 or 6 on a good day.
All pics attached.
It does bother me that in a population or 70 million I was not able to find ONE person who was willing to date me after over 2 years
I did not want to believe this about the human animal and it has shaken my faith in the species
I will leave England and I know I will have a better time abroad in terms of at least being able to have some dates now and then, though they go nowhere.
But what sucks, is the possibility of abundance, of CHOICE, of not having to settle, is something I have lost all hope over.
The women outside of here, I’ve had 0 success with, but they at least talk to me
They atleast listen to what I have to say
In Krakow and Budapest, those people treated me like a normal person.
But nothing materialises?
In Krakow, I got 140 matches, but no one replied. NO ONE.
Worked on myself for 6 months, the hair transplant grew, I improved my looks, and did new photos
Got the new photos up.
Same. Across all the dating apps, the exact same outcomes. Very obese, totally undesirable women and the odd transsexual.
When my friend Carl got his photos done, the floodgates opened. He had tonnes of matches and dates. Within the day it uploading them his whole life changed.
Within his first handful of dates, he was able to get lays, second dates, and the girls obviously like him.
This NEVER happened to me.
And the truth is, despite what I was told it probably won’t.
If this was going to work, after 2 years of dating, I’d have seen SOME sign that I could get a lady to have some interest in me or see some value in me by now
Maybe I am in a fucked situation. Maybe the combination of meh facial structure and proportions, meh body, too tall (6ft5 gangly freak), brown, is beyond fixing.
I do not think I can overcome this in the UK. And I am now going to be heading into other locations where I’ve had 0 success.
Very unfortunate…….
My new photos performing like they have, has concerned me. I was keeping quiet for months as I was seeing changes in my body and in the mirror. I thought when I could take pictures that relect this change, perhaps it would improve things for me.
Didn’t happen.
7 months of grinding, nothing changed.
Is there ANYTHING I can do to get something happening in dating?
HONESTY REQUESTED
After the usual shit show of day game in the UK, I went home and rested for an hour in Carl’s bed. He was on a date with a lovely girl who is interested in him. I think back to the days a few years ago when I thought this could be my future too. I was so hopeful about it and truly thought this would eventually come.
I kept working, ferociously.
And it…..just….didn’t.
I have now lost my faith.
Geomaxxing to other countries does get me out of the absolutely impossible situation I am in for the unforgiveable sin of having brown skin in the UK – this of course is justification for being weeded out of the gene pool here. Fine. I will go elsewhere. There is nothing I can do here, it seems. Tried it all. It’s over here. Sucks man.
Now, thing is, on the 4-5 trips I’ve done abroad have I seen my efforts lead to anything. That is what worries me a lot.
I did want to believe that if I kept going, I’ll succeed
I wanted to trust the people I put faith in.
But we cannot get results and this is what disturbs me.
Changing markets, does not feel like much of a solution, shiny object syndrome only gets you so far.
It feels as if options are running out. I have been patient. 2+ years and I have followed the advice given
My question is this…………
FINAL OPTIONS:
(
A) MAC Ends The Journey: If it sincerely is not possible for me to build a good dating life, let’s have an honest convo about that and draw a line under this so I can work on accepting my situation. I do not want the dating life I have: months of scarcity, success only with fat and unattractive girls, poor quality and infrequent matches. Having to go ALL OUT to get a date, 1/20 of which go anywhere, most of which just ghost. This is just unworkable. The game plan I followed put me here. I cannot get out.
(B) MAC Continues for 3 More Months: I will go to Budapest, I will be open-minded to the possibility that I could possibly succeed. I will pull out all the stops for 3 months, leave no stone unturned, and see if I can get a lay with someone I find attractive. I do not want this dry spell to continue for 12 months. If we cannot make this happen for someone, we are kidding ourselves.
If we cannot, AFTER YEARS of Self Improvement, get a guy a lay with someone he finds attractive within 10 FUCKING MONTHS of ongoing effort, then we need to be clear about this and stop telling guys they can build a good dating life and get results.
Again - I say this with respect. I have NO PROBLEM with it. I am grateful for ever person who pushed me, for every positive message I recieved, and everyone who encouraged me to fight for a better life. I will always be indebted to you until the day I die.
The fact that the dating advise here does not work, is not a reflection of the goodness and decency of the community.
I love this place a lot and for SELF IMPROVEMENT, it is the best place in the world.
I am a Self Improvement guy and I am damn good at improving myself as a person.
I will always be grateful for everyone who helped me. I truly appreciate it and it has meant the world to me to just have had an opportunity to see if it was fixable.
It was a dream of mine to see if a man from nothing, from hell itself, from a horrible, horrible background and from the sewer of life could make something of myself through nothing other than hard work. I wanted to just SEE if it was possible. I wanted to see if it was possible for a guy who was a virgin until he was 29, who was treated like filth for much of his life, who pulled himself up from the gutter for many years despite absolutely impossible circumstances, could possibly make a success of himself and show other people who are in the same boat, down and out and completely destroyed by life, that they too have a chance if they work as hard as humanly possible for years
My motivation was just to test a premise: is it possible to go from nothing to something? Can a guy like me outwork God’s plan?
I am sad to report to KYIL today, that I do not know how to make this happen any-more. I do not know how to get improvements in one's dating life. I thought it would happen through self improvement and taking massive action. I was wrong on that one.
If you do all in your power, get expert help, and put in more work than anyone else ever has, and you cannot find someone who likes you – what option even remains?
An uphill struggle for the rest of my life, fighting nature, trying to push a square peg into a round hole, sounds like a recipe for my own destruction.
There were atleast some glorious wins.
I lost 80+lbs.
Built muscle.
Started a biz.
Travelled.
Met awesome new people.
Went on dates, got lays (all gross apart from 1).
Beat my AA and became an approach machine.
Gained confidence and improved myself
This was great.
I was told this would eventually start to lead to matches, dates with women who wanted to know me, and so on. This unfortunately didn’t materialise and given we’ve been at this since March 2021, what do you even want me to say?
Everything about me, got better. Looking at my online results, this is a window into my future. This is likely what it will be. Looking at my dating results, this speaks volumes.
What hope is left?
I see no way out of this any more.
Perhaps it truly is time to bow out.
The fact I was able to lose my virginity was awesome. The fact that I was able to get 1 girl I liked to sleep with me 1 time was awesome. We had those wins years ago, but were never able to repeat this again. I understand not all people can be fixed and this is not something I myself will ever be able to comprehend. Perhaps in another life I will understand.
I wish for nothing but success and positive things for you all.
I have a huge amount of love in my heart for this community and I am grateful that many men were able to come here and be helped.
We helped each other time and time again, we pushed each other, and we did it for nothing other than the respect and appreciation we have for each other as hard working, driven men.
This was very special for me to see. Many of the successes people had here, brought tears to my eyes. The changes people made, were the things I live for, to see progression, to see the human animal realise it’s awesome potential, and to see the power of raw, brutal, brutal hard ass work. The guys who, like me, who were from bad backgrounds and had to struggle a lot, meant the world to me, I read their logs obsessively and always rooted for them. I drew strength from them in the darkest times of my life.
I will spend some time reviewing your advice, and will be guided by what the community says. If it’s option A, I’ll bow out and thank you all, it was a pleasure and I loved every second of it.
Sadly, this will mean that nature has won. It will mean that a guy cannot turn his life around through elite, god-tier grinding. I do not know how I will get over it. May be a time to go deeper into faith and see if there was a reason for me having to arrive at this moment.
It it’s option B, we have 3 months to show SOME signs of success. I will create a mini 90 day project, based on ONE attractive Budapest lay. If we cannot do that, time to face the music - after years of this shit, this will never work, will it?
Anyway...............As you make your decision on option A or B, here are my pics so you can make your decision:
View attachment 3
View attachment 4
View attachment 5
View attachment 6
View attachment 2
View attachment 1
MAC OUT
