Spider Jerusalem
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- Oct 11, 2021
Always wanted to see New York, count me in
I hope to see you guys there!Next week, July 11-14th, a bunch of guys from the KYIL coaching group and WW forums are meeting up in NYC.
Wise words.Expressing your boundaries with him, and any man really, is something that is required for him to respect you as an adult. It surely helped me when I did so.
Hope you find a healthy and loving balance in your relationship with your father.
Hell yeah man! It was such a fun time, great to catch up with youNew York City Trip
Still waiting on word about my van life travels. In one scenario I get to continue in WA and return to TX in the fall. In another I'm going back to TX fairly soon. Not mad about it all and have plans should that be the case.
In the meantime, I've just returned from a kickass trip to NYC. It was amazing to see old friends and make new ones all weekend. Spent quite a bit of time with @Ed_ and we had some great conversations just sitting in the park or getting coffee, talking about girls, life, and future goals. Also got to share some laughs and fun times with @MILFandCookies. Very grateful for you two. Also met a lot of new guys. On Saturday we had the WW/KYIL meetup which had 14 of us.
For the core group, all of us did day game or night game the whole weekend as we were out and about. Sometimes Ed and I would be waiting for an hour or so to meetup with some of the other guys, so we'd just do some approaches during that time. Then later in the evening everyone would go out to some bars after dinner, though I only did one night out since I like to go to bed early. It was a lot of fun doing it with a group of guys like that and great to have so much volume everywhere. It did not matter what part of the city you were in, there were girls to talk to. I certainly can see the allure to having that much volume all the time. It helped me to quickly see things I can be working on because you can have so many attempts in back to back succession.
Also got a chance to game in one of @pancakemouse, @loki, @Squilliam's spots in the city that they showed us. Couple things I observed by doing so:
I'll jot down a few notable sets and some things I noted I could be working on.
- Just observing those guys behavior as compared to the rest of the guys I'd been hanging out with, there's definitely different leagues to this. Not because of difficulty, but rather towards mental energy and effort put towards practice and craft. Those who are consistently obsessing about practice are playing the major leagues. That's certainly the NYC boys. For a larger minority of us, including myself and a few of the guys on the trip, we're playing high end rec leagues, meaning its one of our favorite hobbies that we pour a good amount of time into to get better and enjoy the sport, but we're not relentless about it. The truth is, the majority of guys even on here are not even playing rec league. If you're still paralyzed by AA and not even doing at least 5+ sets during a day you're approaching, you're never going to make substantial progress.
- I started to understand some of what @pancakemouse means by some NYC girls are different than other places. Now I say some, because I just gamed wherever I was in the city that day, and for the most part got relatively the same as I do elsewhere. When I gamed in Soho though, the girls were more bratty. I noticed I had to be more aggressive to get their attention and even get into a meaningful set if I didn't want to get completely disregarded from the beginning, otherwise you were likely to get a hand in the face, not even lookup from their phone, or an eye roll. If he's gaming girls like this all the time, I can see why he says some of the things he does.
Notable sets:
Things I need to work on:
- Blonde by Empire State Building: Very receptive. We walked a few blocks together before we stopped and chatted a bit. She was visiting friends for the weekend and we talked about some of our adventures so far in the city. I brought up the Museum of Sex because we had just went there earlier and figured it would move to conversation in a more sexual direction. Told her I was in town for a couple more nights and we should grab a drink. She gave a face like she wanted to and the said "ooohh, I really can't." Which I felt like I should have persisted, because it felt like there was a reason that could have been easily overturned and should have found out what that was.
- Blonde "Good Girl": Cute girl who defiantly fits the good girl archetype I often match with. She was wearing a unique knitted top which made her look really innocent which I commented on. She was sweet. She happened to give me the recommendation for the Watertower rooftop bar that we ended up going to later. Asked her out and she said she'd really love but she had a boyfriend.
- 2 Set on top of Watertower: First time doing nightgame because I'm an old man and doing sets together with a wing. Ed opened them and then I came in 30 seconds later to chat up the one he hadn't already squared up with. We bounced the conversation around the 4 of us until Ed started going down a thread with one of them. I was not super into the other one, but I kept her busy and she was asking me all kind of things, so I just practiced. Eventually I found they were out celebrating the other girls engagement, so I continued the convo for a little longer then ejected telling her I had to get back to our other friends. I leaned over telling Ed that I was going to find the other guys and then whispered in his ear that the one he was talking to was engaged.
- 2 Ukrainian Girls at the Watertower: We were trying to get the other guys over their AA and get them talking to girls. So I pointed out these girls sitting by the pool and told them to approach. The one guy wanted to but was getting anxious and said he couldn't open. So I took the lead for him. They were on their phones so I told them that they looked like fun girls but they look boooored as shit which they both laughed about. I lead most the conversation, even after the other guy came. I struggled though keeping up with content and trying to kick out the conversation. Tried getting them to come out with us, but it didn't happen.
- Red Dressed Australian in Greenwich: This girl was drop dead gorgeous red head in a red & white polka dot sundress, petite with great rack and plump lips, very feminine, and so my type. I was out in the morning just checking out architecture around the city and taking photos. She walked in front of me at the end of the sidewalk and stopped to take a photograph. Immediately in my head I said her dress was gorgeous, and as I walking up to her said just that without even a second thought about what to say or if I should approach her. I didn't even take the time to take out both headphones or turn my music off. For whatever reason I did the whole set with one headphone in still. I noticed myself eyeing the skin around her face and neck and being very turned on. I would have wrecked that girl. She was from Australia and just visiting for the weekend. We talked some about photography. I didn't think about it at the time, but I totally could have played around with her and had her model for me for some shots in the neighborhood, turning it into an instadate. I told her lets get drinks later and she mentioned she was busy with her friends. Again, I should have persisted but I just stop after the first objection like this.
- Alt Girl in Soho: The first of half dozen encounters I'd have here where I'd just get the brattiest, annoyed face I've ever gotten. I noticed with each one I'd get a little less friendly and a little more aggressive/persistent. Not out of anger, but out of curiosity. Sort of like a video game challenge you just want to keep doing over and over again.
- 2 German Blondes in Soho: Steven pointed out a couple beautiful blonde girls well dressed in tight, short black skirts. He told me to go open them and not to lie, I was slightly intimidated to do so, but I did and then he came in shortly after I was meandering with them and in conversation. One of them and I were mostly talking. Steven has asked what they do for fun here in the city and they said mostly this, meaning walking around and shopping. So I started teasing them, "C'mon. That's soooo boring. This is what you do for fun? C'mon. What's the good stuff? I know you get into some kind of trouble. What's the really fun stuff to do?" Again, trying to kick out the conversation some. She told us about some clubs and other shit. Asked her if they wanted to come out with us later that night and she said "I don't know, we have to check with out friends to see what we're doing." So I told her to give me her number and I'd text her later. "Weelll, I kinda have a boyfriend and I don't think he'd like that." Then for whatever reason I spat out "Are you suuurre?" And she nervously laughed and said "well... yeah... I think I'd be sure if I had a boyfriend or not." For originally being intimidated, I felt decent about the set even though it didn't go no where. Steven and I just laughed about it afterwards.
Anyways, I had a blast. Thank you to all the guys that came out. I appreciate you and appreciate this community. Much love.
- Big one one is persistence. It's a cold approach. A lot of them are going to be on the fence with token objections initially. I'd like to practice persisting past those.
- I need to spend some time crafting compelling stories for the most common topics of convo. I'm a decent conversationalist. I never have problems on dates. But the shorter interactions like this I could certainly spice things up and that will help with the content of convos.
- I'm getting better at kicking out the conversation, but I need more practice. It would help if I spent time crafting a couple stacks like in Game Solved to do this.
- Stopping them. Some I do, some I don't. But if I start walking with them, I often forget to try to stop them later. Specific reason I want to stop them is for better eye contact.
- Even with significant breaks in between doing daygame, my AA is pretty low. I'm getting better at doing more intimidating sets and would like to continue to push myself to do so. Because honestly, the "intimidating" set is not any hard than a normal once you're in it.
- Somewhere along the way of practicing, I feel like I have gotten a little more timid on the initial approach. Like my body language does not always feel as strong and voice not always projecting. I think it has mostly to do with I don't want to startle her. So just need to correct any negative habits I'm creating there.
- This stuff is so much more fun with a good wing. I had a blast with Steven. Wherever I am, it would behoove me to get a wing I really vibe with. Preferably one who is more advanced than me, but still in the rec league.
- Being calibrated to either be aggressive or friendly depending on the vibe of the girl, but always sexual.
Following up on this.Lay - Goth Girl
You absolute savageand the Lady Killer perk from Fallout.