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Squilliam said:
every good picture that would work on tinder is a picture i can use for instagram, so what's the problem?
Squilliam said:
there's some misunderstanding here, i live in a 200K, you're thinking i want to run "instagram game" a la fresh and fit, i'm not, this is not miami and we don't have the type of girls that fresh and fit interview here
i'm thinking of creating an instagram looking happy, stylish, sexy and with some friends, and thats it, no indicator of status/money level, i'm in a small town and it's not needed, girls will reply if you're attractive enough
the instagram you're talking about is needed in a big american city, not here. here i will just take good pictures for tinder and instagram at the same time, i will have to add add some pictures in cklubs and with friends on intagram to look social and normal, because actually thats what girls use instagram for, to see if you're normal
Squilliam said:
i will lose this last 4 pounds and go back to take picturs, i want it really bad, i'm ashamed to say that i didn't find the balls to take pictures of myself while people passing by are looking and didn't have balls to approach when i went out alone, even if i want it really bad, so i will set goals and deadlines to do this stuff or die
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natedawg said:
Thank you nate!
natedawg said:
meet a cute girl, date and fuck, to be honest thats my number 1 priority, i'm stuck and i feel the only way to unstuck myself is do it for the first time, only thing is she doesent have to be a 5 or 4 because i would just feel worse, talking from experience
MakingAComeback said:
i agree Mac, the way i will heal is expose myself over and over, keep trying new pictures, keep getting rejected, trying tinder with new pics, get zero matches, get broken to pieces, and try again, with a new set of pics
i feel my life is going down the drain, i have energy and anger i want to use, no time for some sort of zen healing, just, get a mental breakdown, try again, until i completely desentesize myself, no sitting at home anymore, unless i'm lifting and stretching
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OK Mo.
I do sense a steely determination in your words today.
Remember, you are tougher than you think...............
If you're wanting to go down the exposure therapy route, then you know what to do man. Take it ONE approach at a time, and in time, you will be an approach machine.
R
I do sense a steely determination in your words today.
Remember, you are tougher than you think...............
If you're wanting to go down the exposure therapy route, then you know what to do man. Take it ONE approach at a time, and in time, you will be an approach machine.
R
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Last Saturday night was WILD, so i have created my first super shitty instagram pics with only 2 pics with me looking autistic, asked a bunch of people if they wanna hang out and the only guy that enthusiastically said yes is an illegal immigrant
We went in this club and he started approaching like crazy with his broken italian, he drinks and smokes a lot too and does cocaine
After 2 drinks i started approaching too, i only got blow out rudely by a land whale i didn't like anyway, all the others girls were very sweet in telling me they have boyfriends
The forth girls i approached was a smoking hot 21 yo, she was hot as fuck, i just straight up asked her is she wanted to know me and she said yes, this is the first time for me and i didn't know what to say hahahha
Like this girl was very hot, beautiful face, nice legs, when she immediately said yes i didn't know what to say to be honest so i just started to ask the ussual question, where are from blablabla, she said she's from Milan, studied in england and going back to england soon, after that her friends called her and she went on the dance floor with them
I didnt ask her to stay in touch for 2 reasons:
- when you ask girls for watsap they ask for instagram first to see what type of guy you are
- i don't have a good "landing" intagram page where i look "normal" and not autistic yet
https://instagram.com/_momo_.d_?igshid=MzNlNGNkZWQ4Mg==
I have recieved a lot of motivation from this experience, i hate my self for beign autistic and i want to change so bad
The guy i went put with is here from only 3 months and already has a HOT 21 yo girlfriend, and she's italian, before her he had another girlfriend, not italian
So 2 girls in tree months, without papers, without money, without anything, the guy almost drowned to come to Europe
Despite this i still had some blackpill moments thinking about blackpill stuff... Man talk about trauma..
This is more than enough proof the limits are in my head
Even if I'm 99% that the hot Girls wasent attracted and just wanted to talk because it was a wild night for everydoby i still had fun talking to her, felt somewhat validated, felt really good getting so close to a girl that hot
I bought phenibut from predatornutrition, it should give me the same social freedom without alcohol
Now i have to do two things:
-go out and approach on weekend with or without a partner, it's 10 times more fun with friends, but if i want to improve my life i have to go out every weekend
-take pictures for online datind and instagram, for all those girls who want to see you on ig before giving their watsap, what stopped me here is also the fact that i don't have a friend to take pictures with
If i don't improve i will only have myself to blame
Some pictures of my current style, Saturday night i had the iron maiden shirt
My only 2 limits are taking pictures alone and going out alone, need to grow some balls because it's a matter of life and death
We went in this club and he started approaching like crazy with his broken italian, he drinks and smokes a lot too and does cocaine
After 2 drinks i started approaching too, i only got blow out rudely by a land whale i didn't like anyway, all the others girls were very sweet in telling me they have boyfriends
The forth girls i approached was a smoking hot 21 yo, she was hot as fuck, i just straight up asked her is she wanted to know me and she said yes, this is the first time for me and i didn't know what to say hahahha
Like this girl was very hot, beautiful face, nice legs, when she immediately said yes i didn't know what to say to be honest so i just started to ask the ussual question, where are from blablabla, she said she's from Milan, studied in england and going back to england soon, after that her friends called her and she went on the dance floor with them
I didnt ask her to stay in touch for 2 reasons:
- when you ask girls for watsap they ask for instagram first to see what type of guy you are
- i don't have a good "landing" intagram page where i look "normal" and not autistic yet
https://instagram.com/_momo_.d_?igshid=MzNlNGNkZWQ4Mg==
I have recieved a lot of motivation from this experience, i hate my self for beign autistic and i want to change so bad
The guy i went put with is here from only 3 months and already has a HOT 21 yo girlfriend, and she's italian, before her he had another girlfriend, not italian
So 2 girls in tree months, without papers, without money, without anything, the guy almost drowned to come to Europe
Despite this i still had some blackpill moments thinking about blackpill stuff... Man talk about trauma..
This is more than enough proof the limits are in my head
Even if I'm 99% that the hot Girls wasent attracted and just wanted to talk because it was a wild night for everydoby i still had fun talking to her, felt somewhat validated, felt really good getting so close to a girl that hot
I bought phenibut from predatornutrition, it should give me the same social freedom without alcohol
Now i have to do two things:
-go out and approach on weekend with or without a partner, it's 10 times more fun with friends, but if i want to improve my life i have to go out every weekend
-take pictures for online datind and instagram, for all those girls who want to see you on ig before giving their watsap, what stopped me here is also the fact that i don't have a friend to take pictures with
If i don't improve i will only have myself to blame
Some pictures of my current style, Saturday night i had the iron maiden shirt
jakeD said:
My only 2 limits are taking pictures alone and going out alone, need to grow some balls because it's a matter of life and death
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FUCK YEAH
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Good fucking job.
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Man another "good" night (didn't have sex), same club, same friend (the illegal immigrant guy i stumbled in with instagram, good guy, beautifull soul, god bless him)
I didn't want to to get too wasted, just one drink to get going, was almost sober, i tried to use the tekno music to "meditate", i closed my eyes and danced for two hours, trying to not think at anything, just breath and dance reaching a sort of trance situation without drugs, it was good, it's a small club, no need to approach immediately, i danced, had a lot of fun, girls saw me dancing this means they wont think i'm a creep older guy who's just looking for pussy
also most people dance inside first, at about 3am they start going out outdoors to relax and talk with their friends, thats when i start approaching anyway, my initial goal was 10 approaches, i did 6:
I also need someone who speaks italian to understand if i'm doing something wrong AskTheDom
1) -can we get to know each other? if you're single..
- No, yes i'm single, but no
what an ugly fucking bitch, barely a 6, she didn't have to add "yes i'm single but no" after the first no, i wasen't hurt, reading the hundreds of approaches of MakingAComeback and colgate just changed man, it's the equivalent of the AA program
this bitch was looking at me for the rest of the night loughing and dancing and not giving 2 fucks about her, she kept looking while i was looking at her, it was clear i don't give much of a fuck, this is the best revenge
2)-can we get to know each other?
- no thanks
- ok
- if you can give me a cigarette we can talk
- i don't smoke, bye
this girl wasen't rude at all, nice girl, but she said if you can give me a cigarette i thought she was not interested and was trying to make fun of me and exercise power, but maybe i was totally wrong and you'll understand why
3)-can we get to know each other?
-no
nice blonde, she said no with usual bitch face, nothing special
4) this girl was with a group of tree friends (yes i can approach groups), walked up to them, grabbed her gently by the arm so she can turn and notice me
-can we get to know each other?
-no
5) i signed on watsap that i approached 6 girls, i don't remember the fifth girl, but she said no i guess, i don't remember her face and the conversation
6)cute brunette, she looked at least to be honest, it turns out she's 17, her friend is hotterto be honest, she had this top and you could see the tits basically hahah, anyway i aproached the brunette because the other one was talking to some guy
--can we get to know each other?
she looks at me for 10 seconds like she didn't expected like all girls, but without a mean face, i recieve a "no" anyway, for some reason i stay there and don't move but don't talk to her either
after 5 minutes she restarts the conversation
- if you can find me a cigarette i will talk to you
- challange accepeted, i don't smoke but i will find you a cigarette!
no one wants to give a fucking cigarette, they scared that other people will ask, so i approached a group of black guys, didn't want to lose time so i just told give a cigarette and i will pay you, 2 euros for a cigarette, all good
went back to her gave the cigarette and we started talking, they tried to guess my age, 30...25..28...23
i asked them for their age and they turned out to be minors hahaha, both 17, the girl i approached is still 16 will turn 17 in two weeks
we talked a bit and asked for her number, she asked for instagram, i told her i don't have instagram so she doesent see my creepy autistic instagram
https://www.instagram.com/_momo_.d_/?igshid=MzNlNGNkZWQ4Mg%3D%3D
she gave her watsap, do you understand why i need to improve my instagram? Squilliam it's not for "instagram game" with high status and lamborghini, i just need some pictures looking attractive, cool and socially calibrated, i'm in 200k, it's not about instragram "game", i'm not in miami, it's just that girls feel safe with instagram and use it like watsap
what a wild night man, getting 16 yo numbers at 35 hahahahah
Now some reflactions, my approach could be too aggressive and girls are forced to say no, two girls told me "if you can get me a cigarette we can talk" after saying no, within 15 minutes
so maybe the second girl wasent trying to make fun of me, maybe it's the equivalent of "if you ask like that i'm forced to say no, i want to talk and the cigarette excuse is a way to remove the pressur you've put on me"
another thing, the 4th girl, she was giving me some subtle...VERY subtle looks all night, the same type of looks that i was recieving from the girl who gave her number, like lateral looks so i don't notice, i can't be sure but if it's true i was too aggressive with the 4th girl too, she just had to say no.
I can't be 100% sure but 4th and 6th girl were giving me the same subtle eye contact all night, both said no, the 6th girl had to find a "solution" to say yes, the 4th girl couldn't
also there's another girl, not super hot but very cute, it's been two weeks of eye contact with her, i didn't approach not because i pussied out but because there's no need to, its a small club and she's a regular, let's see what happens building "confort", and by confort i mean she give me subtle looks, i don't act like a desperate, i go out every weekend and i become a "regular" too, let's see what happens when she feels safer and safer
what a fucking will life, i need a good instagram page ASAP, they ALL ask for instagram, they want to see that you're normal and they can't see that with watsap
no status no money bullshit, just an instagram page looking cute, well dressed, edgy, and normal
when i tried tinder a while ago girls asked for instagram anyway, the only reason i didn't have dates/sex is that i din't have ig and with two autistic pics they didn't trust me to give me watsap
also my house need cleaning and furniture
i have to stop with the pizza delivery bullshit job, it looks so weird at 35 and not enough money
i need money, a lot of money, i need to buy a car
now imagine i have a date with the crazy 17 yo girl, both she and friend like an older guy with a car so they can move from club to club and not be stuck, imagine the validation of having both of them in my car, and replicate the situation with other girls
time is running out, i will devolep wrinkles and grey hair and be too old for this shit, i have to do the work asap,
below i will attach a picture of the hairstyle i had, my general style, and a picture from watsap, the girl is the brunette on the right
any advice about hair and style is welcome
I didn't want to to get too wasted, just one drink to get going, was almost sober, i tried to use the tekno music to "meditate", i closed my eyes and danced for two hours, trying to not think at anything, just breath and dance reaching a sort of trance situation without drugs, it was good, it's a small club, no need to approach immediately, i danced, had a lot of fun, girls saw me dancing this means they wont think i'm a creep older guy who's just looking for pussy
also most people dance inside first, at about 3am they start going out outdoors to relax and talk with their friends, thats when i start approaching anyway, my initial goal was 10 approaches, i did 6:
I also need someone who speaks italian to understand if i'm doing something wrong AskTheDom
1) -can we get to know each other? if you're single..
- No, yes i'm single, but no
what an ugly fucking bitch, barely a 6, she didn't have to add "yes i'm single but no" after the first no, i wasen't hurt, reading the hundreds of approaches of MakingAComeback and colgate just changed man, it's the equivalent of the AA program
this bitch was looking at me for the rest of the night loughing and dancing and not giving 2 fucks about her, she kept looking while i was looking at her, it was clear i don't give much of a fuck, this is the best revenge
2)-can we get to know each other?
- no thanks
- ok
- if you can give me a cigarette we can talk
- i don't smoke, bye
this girl wasen't rude at all, nice girl, but she said if you can give me a cigarette i thought she was not interested and was trying to make fun of me and exercise power, but maybe i was totally wrong and you'll understand why
3)-can we get to know each other?
-no
nice blonde, she said no with usual bitch face, nothing special
4) this girl was with a group of tree friends (yes i can approach groups), walked up to them, grabbed her gently by the arm so she can turn and notice me
-can we get to know each other?
-no
5) i signed on watsap that i approached 6 girls, i don't remember the fifth girl, but she said no i guess, i don't remember her face and the conversation
6)cute brunette, she looked at least to be honest, it turns out she's 17, her friend is hotterto be honest, she had this top and you could see the tits basically hahah, anyway i aproached the brunette because the other one was talking to some guy
--can we get to know each other?
she looks at me for 10 seconds like she didn't expected like all girls, but without a mean face, i recieve a "no" anyway, for some reason i stay there and don't move but don't talk to her either
after 5 minutes she restarts the conversation
- if you can find me a cigarette i will talk to you
- challange accepeted, i don't smoke but i will find you a cigarette!
no one wants to give a fucking cigarette, they scared that other people will ask, so i approached a group of black guys, didn't want to lose time so i just told give a cigarette and i will pay you, 2 euros for a cigarette, all good
went back to her gave the cigarette and we started talking, they tried to guess my age, 30...25..28...23
i asked them for their age and they turned out to be minors hahaha, both 17, the girl i approached is still 16 will turn 17 in two weeks
we talked a bit and asked for her number, she asked for instagram, i told her i don't have instagram so she doesent see my creepy autistic instagram
https://www.instagram.com/_momo_.d_/?igshid=MzNlNGNkZWQ4Mg%3D%3D
she gave her watsap, do you understand why i need to improve my instagram? Squilliam it's not for "instagram game" with high status and lamborghini, i just need some pictures looking attractive, cool and socially calibrated, i'm in 200k, it's not about instragram "game", i'm not in miami, it's just that girls feel safe with instagram and use it like watsap
what a wild night man, getting 16 yo numbers at 35 hahahahah
Now some reflactions, my approach could be too aggressive and girls are forced to say no, two girls told me "if you can get me a cigarette we can talk" after saying no, within 15 minutes
so maybe the second girl wasent trying to make fun of me, maybe it's the equivalent of "if you ask like that i'm forced to say no, i want to talk and the cigarette excuse is a way to remove the pressur you've put on me"
another thing, the 4th girl, she was giving me some subtle...VERY subtle looks all night, the same type of looks that i was recieving from the girl who gave her number, like lateral looks so i don't notice, i can't be sure but if it's true i was too aggressive with the 4th girl too, she just had to say no.
I can't be 100% sure but 4th and 6th girl were giving me the same subtle eye contact all night, both said no, the 6th girl had to find a "solution" to say yes, the 4th girl couldn't
also there's another girl, not super hot but very cute, it's been two weeks of eye contact with her, i didn't approach not because i pussied out but because there's no need to, its a small club and she's a regular, let's see what happens building "confort", and by confort i mean she give me subtle looks, i don't act like a desperate, i go out every weekend and i become a "regular" too, let's see what happens when she feels safer and safer
what a fucking will life, i need a good instagram page ASAP, they ALL ask for instagram, they want to see that you're normal and they can't see that with watsap
no status no money bullshit, just an instagram page looking cute, well dressed, edgy, and normal
when i tried tinder a while ago girls asked for instagram anyway, the only reason i didn't have dates/sex is that i din't have ig and with two autistic pics they didn't trust me to give me watsap
also my house need cleaning and furniture
i have to stop with the pizza delivery bullshit job, it looks so weird at 35 and not enough money
i need money, a lot of money, i need to buy a car
now imagine i have a date with the crazy 17 yo girl, both she and friend like an older guy with a car so they can move from club to club and not be stuck, imagine the validation of having both of them in my car, and replicate the situation with other girls
time is running out, i will devolep wrinkles and grey hair and be too old for this shit, i have to do the work asap,
below i will attach a picture of the hairstyle i had, my general style, and a picture from watsap, the girl is the brunette on the right
any advice about hair and style is welcome
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Seems like an odd opener unless it's just an awkward translation. Can you clarify, are you literally saying possiamo conoscerci? It sounds like you're asking for too much when the girl doesn't even know you yet.
Instead try making eye contact, come in with a smirk and say: come va. If the girl isn't directly looking at you you can say ei, mi piace il tuo stile or something else about her that sticks out.
Hair is looking fantastic. YOU are looking fantastic. And you're getting out there. Now you just need to learn the fundamentals of calibration, comfort, and just having a normal chat instead of this intense "APPROACH" mindset.
Instead try making eye contact, come in with a smirk and say: come va. If the girl isn't directly looking at you you can say ei, mi piace il tuo stile or something else about her that sticks out.
Hair is looking fantastic. YOU are looking fantastic. And you're getting out there. Now you just need to learn the fundamentals of calibration, comfort, and just having a normal chat instead of this intense "APPROACH" mindset.
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pancakemouse said:
Thank you Pancake!
exactly, possiamo conoscerci or ti va di conoscerci, almost same thing
i had eye contact with 4th and 6th girl but then i opned with that phrase, i approached the other ones while they were moving, so i still need another phrase for girls who are moving (some girls keep moving no stop the entire night), and i will adopt your suggestions with girls standing still talking with their friends
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Thrice said:
With moving girls it's a difficult open but I'll typically use the "I like your style" line there. Tap them on the shoulder, say "excuse me" to get their attention, then once you have some eye contact deliver the line.
Important fact that doesn't get enough attention: approaching is WAY more than just about "saying a line". Body language, eye contact, timing all has to be on point.
Might be useful to read the post I just put up on breaking up the opener into 3 phases: https://pancakemouse.wordpress.com/2023/06/27/break-down-your-daygame-opener-into-3-phases/
Can't wait to see your progress. I'm chuffed that you've moved into the action-taking stage.
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Good shit dude.
As for the ones who kept looking at you after opening them, I have a very simple theory that you still caught their eye because you were man enough to approach them. For that, they simply don't look at you the same as all the other men who never try. I think it's a good place to be. I'd take that any day over being invisible.
As for the ones who kept looking at you after opening them, I have a very simple theory that you still caught their eye because you were man enough to approach them. For that, they simply don't look at you the same as all the other men who never try. I think it's a good place to be. I'd take that any day over being invisible.
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HAHAHAAHAH
Fucking Thrice in the building man DAMN!
He's been around since GLL, he never broke the approaching barrier did he?
This motherfucker is shattering milestones for himself
When Thrice gets laid this will be a legendary achievement, this would have been like 10 years in the making lol
I am so sure he will do it
MAC
Fucking Thrice in the building man DAMN!
He's been around since GLL, he never broke the approaching barrier did he?
This motherfucker is shattering milestones for himself
When Thrice gets laid this will be a legendary achievement, this would have been like 10 years in the making lol
I am so sure he will do it
MAC
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SpongeBob said:
thanks Sponge!
Olafsmash said:
Thank you, will get first date and lay soon
MakingAComeback said:
i'm sure i will get first date and lay soon, been on GLL since 2013 man, after the first lay i can even get hit by a bus and will die happy anyway because this log will forever be a source of motivation for strong hardcases with depression
jakeD said:
thank you brother
i have to say i recieved some looks, from girls i didn't approach also, also i was the best dressed guy in the club, i don't know about the US but here guys dress like clowns, i followed Radical guide, total black + with airmax + accessories. Easly the best dressed guy anywhere
also lost a lot of weight and i have a very lean face now, when i get abs things will be even better
natedawg said:
oh man it felt so good, not only they could not stop looking (trying to not get caught), but also they noticed that as a redpilled guy i don't care about rejection and move on, another thing they never seen normal guys do
pancakemouse said:
Thank you for your advice Pancake, i'm sure i will get my first lay soon. i will close the old "10 years on self improvement with no lays" chapter and open a new one
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Thrice
I waited to flag this, because I am genuinely happy for you taking action and want to praise you for that
But a hard rule on the forum, as Andy outlined above, is we never mention anyone under 18.
Will need to ask you to edit the posts above
But SOLID work homie
Ravi
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WE NEVER MENTION ANYONE UNDER 18
Thrice
I waited to flag this, because I am genuinely happy for you taking action and want to praise you for that
But a hard rule on the forum, as Andy outlined above, is we never mention anyone under 18.
Will need to ask you to edit the posts above
But SOLID work homie
Ravi
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It is… honestly smells needy AF from the get go…pancakemouse said:
Back in my clubbing days I used to open with “ciao! I miei amici (indica da qualche parte lontano ma senza interrompere eye contact) mi han detto che balli uguale a “inserire minor celebrity della tv” e sono venuto a vedere se è vero” (ovviamente suppongo tu sappia ballare)
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AskTheDom said:
Ok! "possiamo conoscerci" non è il massimo, pero' anche questa frase mi sembra troppo lunga e troppo da uno che vuole fare il simpatico per forza, non è il mio stile. In quale altro modo potrei aprire?
Matched with the new profile with the old 21yo again, the one i unmatched months ago because she was giving me one word replies, she's doing it again, this girl is chasing me on tinder to give me one word sentences
bought converse shoes because i don't think it's good to go in the same club with the same shoes every weekend, i think girls notice that
i asked on reddit about under eye filler, was worried i'm looking too old, also i already had one filler years ago and i'm a bit scared of doing another one, some doctors say that too many fillers become heavy and start migrating...
anyway...ended up recieving a lot of compliments
https://imgur.com/a/D7Y16bW
one iphone pic for reddit ended up beign better than all the pictures i took with the 1k Canon EOS RP where i look like an autistic
i'm already approaching, the next issue i have to address is pictures, i need flattering pictures looking edgy/hapy and attractive
with a friend would be much better, but i have to do it anyway, for now it's the only piece missing
i recieve looks in the club but not even one match on tinder, good photos should make you look better than reallife not worst
worst case scenario i will take pitures in some isolated place without people, not all good portraits pics are taken in parks ect
MILFandCookies
Tagged you hear didn't want to talk about my case in some else's log
Yea my problem is that i don't have friends so don't know how this fucking candid pics should be hahaha
With the canon rp i can take posed pictures with the remote function
I can take a picture of myself playing guitar smiling pretending the picture is taken by a friend
I also just met this new guy, we went out for two weekends, he works 10 hours a day so i don't want to annoy him with requests, all i can ask him for now is to go out and take pictures in a good bar, this would be "fake" candid pictures, because i would dress and accessorise my best for the guitar and bar pics, with backwards hat and stuff
But without a real group of friends don't know how to do more
So a lot of hard to get the leanest face i ever had still don't know how to use it yet
The posed pictures would be like this ones i attach