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Lusty69 said:
side effects, vs staying fat and what is the higher risk. For me personally, as I also have an autoimmune condition and don't trust western medicine after my experiences with the autoimmune condition and the whole COVID bs, still not vaxxed still yet to catch COVID. This drug is just not for me. I also know a lot of my stuff is emotional where I have overeaten well past my hunger signaling because it was mixing emotions for escapism and suppression.
Late reply but idk man.
I trust governments much less than the average person and make pretty much all my medical decisions myself without internalizing anything from the medical complex, only treating them as a very noisy advisory body. And have no issues with doing illegal drugs. And I hated everything about the government's response to covid and literally in March 2020 was being a Just And Noble Crusader for Holy Fuck How Does No One Realize The Lockdowns Are Retarded. And really hated all the masking and forced vax shit.
But still got the covid vax because the EV's there, covid damage x likelihood > vax damage x likelihood, even after "correcting" for medical bias and noisiness and uncertainty of reality. Like it feels good to have a unified worldview where the bad guys are doing EVERYTHING wrong, and that's very useful socially, but reality isn't obligated conform to simple worldviews of One set of bad guys who do Everything wrong, and sometimes that matters in personal decisions.
It's like in the year 1000 AD and you realize all the Catholicism shit is bullshit and question everything, correctly identify god isn't a thing, correctly identify the church is lying to people, correctly realize miracles aren't real... incorrectly realize Jerusalem doesn't exist, incorrectly realize Jesus never existed, incorrectly realize Nordic pagans must be right because they're the ones fighting Catholics. Hopefully the analogy makes sense even if you are actually a believer.
You're a smart guy and clearly went through a lot of time and effort to think this over, and your worldview is very consistent. You also have the autoimmune condition thing I have a blind spot around. So I'm not expecting you to take anything I say on faith here. I'll just point out some things that are probably obvious to you already:
- ozempic has been out for 10+ years
- ozempic has had extremely wide distribution including and is if anything biased towards the highest class people, eg boris johnson tried it - despite no government push for it and a slight cultural bias AGAINST it - thin ppl aristocracy want to kick the ladder out from under them hence its seen as cheating and people arent very open about taking it
... therefore canceling out the whole "cluster of single digit people died somewhere" reports. any drug that gets popular enough will either have genuine 0.0001% chances of lethal side effects kick in, or people will just randomly die in suspicious and clustered ways while on it, since people randomly die in suspicious and clustered ways all the time in a 8 billion people world and sometimes they're taking the same drug.
the other thing about
- ozempic has been out for 10+ years and widespread in use
is, aside from the whole thing with how medical phase trials work, a 10+ year phase 4 trial of real life use is basically enough to confirm insubstantial probability long term effects. there are extremely extremely few mechanisms that act on the human body that work in a "almost 0 deaths for years/decades, then suddenly a large amount die/get crippled/we find out they get punished for their sins of being too trusting/patriots are in control" way. there ARE some mechanisms somewhat similar to this like, asbestos lung, and nothing about reality guarantees this can't happen, but 10+ years of tracking it is enough to clear out the vast majority of probability of it happening.
- ozempic is a diabetes management drug
- metformin is a diabetes management drug
also strongly increases the likelihood of ozempic being benign and if anything long term helpful in unexpected ways - because metformin was given to people just to manage diabetes, yet in the long run was discovered to be, as of right now, the only drug in the world that straight up increases longevity for everyone. I know very smart people who are taking it with no diabetes literally just to live longer and they basically lie to doctors to do so - there isnt really any pharma encouragement or mass market demand for it
ozempic is pattern matching that behaviour, because it was developed just for diabetes, then discovered to be useful for weight loss, and is now being discovered to be useful for impulse control in general. whats the likelihood it turns out actually you ALL GET GIGA CANCER AFTER 10 YEARS! haha suckers!!! instead of sometimes we discover something like peniccilin that's legitimately useful with few drawbacks, and diabetes research is hitting useful targets in the body.
I could keep going about all the large and small biases trends and details that make it overwhelmingly likely for me that Ozempic actually works without any real likelihood of a hidden downside and if you're curious I can expand, but I'm starting to realize I need to be taking action irl rn instead of forumposting so let's move on
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Lusty69 said:
I do feel that the work I have done emotionally over the past few years is starting to catch up along with a strict carnivore diet has been much easier to stick to than other diets, even keto diet vs carnivore. I have lost weight before I guess I just wasn't emotionally and mentally prepared for what the Government did so I went into an old trauma response pattern which made me fat in my teen's.
I could go into the details of all this, but broadly:
- everyone has a reason they're fat, yours is emotional, and everyone can spend time and effort on fixing that reason, and probably will in the long term
- we all die in the long term too, long term solutions are the worst solutions, except for no solution
- ultimately you're still fat right now
- you developed a lot of emotional management skills to handle the demons of overeating - don't you want to apply them to something more worthwhile than weight loss? are you attached to the idea of overcoming weight loss purely mentally instead of taking the easy way out? because I feel like you can absolutely take on other very worthwhile journeys that will involve pulling yourself together, so there's no reason to stick to weight loss as the only one
don't wanna come off unempathetic here, my personal life filters for very few fat people so it's nothing I have natural personal or sympathetic experience with, I'm mostly projecting my own impulse control struggles around other shit
Lusty69 said:
One thing I will look into it's a little harder to get in Australia because they ban anything that makes you more masculine, healthy or strong is TRT, I know going on TRT with my training regimen would easily shed weight quick and maintain the muscle I have now but it's a bit of a pain in the ass to get a script for then need to worry about what I do when I travel overseas
this is interesting
- losing fat makes you more masculine, healthy, and strong. ozempic clearly makes you lose fat. why isn't it banned. well I guess this points to a "the government bans good things, ozempic isnt banned, ozempic isnt good" logic... let me know if you feel that's accurate to reality
- actual trt-level trt will do barely anything for you
- """trt""" trt as in mini blasting will work ok, but it works less for weight loss than weight gain
- if you're taking """"trt""""" level trt, then you have to be consistent about your whole health risks thing by actually treating it as if it might have risks, and from there if both trt and ozempic have risks you might as well take the more directly useful one
