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Squilliam said:
Squilliam said:
Hey man. Well, clearly neither of us can conclude whether feminism is the problem in these examples of poor conduct, human behaviour is a multivariate of past experiences, beliefs, culture, ideologies, among other factors, but we can share our experiences, and on the basis of these experiences, we can identify emerging themes and categorise them accordingly. While it may not be as objective as one would like, it's nonetheless the basis of the scientific method, which as of the time of writing this post, is still a valid mode of developing knowledge. ;-) I am sure one day objectivity and rationalism will be held in contempt, and we're maybe not THAT far off, but to me at least that day has not yet come.
That said, I would be wary in being too fast to dismiss feminism as potentially contributing to very awful behaviours and hostile responses towards men.
People tend to have a short memory. Ideologies that purport the oppression of a group by another can bring out human behaviour which simply turns the blood cold. When a group instills the belief that they are being constrained and restricted by another, they can become blood-drunk, homicidal with anger.
When the intellectual in the East proselytised and spun tales of the kulacks being the cause of unsuccessful farmers outcomes, a resentment was built up which penetrated the depths of their souls, to such that they became murderous with contempt, and butchered the kulacks in cold blood. When the leadership deemed groups counter-revolutionaries in the East, neighbours turned on neighbours, families on families, and the most base, vicious instincts in the human animal were unleashed for the massacre to unfold. The hutus lived cheek by jowl with the tutsis for generations, but when leadership espoused that the tutsis were seeking power, a maelstrom of violence and brutality swept the nation that left the bodies of innocents burning on pyres.
The bones of those Other groups, who have deemed to be an enemy, bleach the planes of our world.
Maybe feminism is unique from all other victim-based ideologies, and perhaps women are so noble and gracious that they are somehow immune from developing resentment and embitterment. Perhaps when women engage in feminist thinking and brood on the harms men create, and fester and stew on the systematic, deliberate restriction of the female, though the cherry-picked, selective data which is rich in omission of very important facts, perhaps they are not as prone to creating internal embitterment as other groups. This is a total distortion of reality that sickens the rational of mind. In our culture, we like to repeat memes, to echo ideas and concepts without
Maybe the rude behaviour women who make references to feminist theory have displayed to myself and others are simply anomalies and could be attributed to a myriad of other factors.
Maybe when I attended a comedy gig a few months ago and a lady started her set with "Hands up if you HATE MEN", and the hands of every. single. female. in the building shot up, this was purely in jest and not indicative of a broader contempt and poor regard for the male in our culture.
Maybe in my last job role, when my female colleagues would make statements like "men are trash", and "I hate men" on a daily basis, it was mere words, jokes, and not indicative of a change in attitudes.
But when my brothers are dropping dead by suicide, are in mental health crisis, and see no point in their existence to such that they don't even want to turn up to work anymore, I am more than a little inclined to suggest there our cultures incendiary, sustained attack on the male MAY be something of a problem.
When you begin to view the world through gender based lenses, or indeed, through the prism of any other overarching belief, you taint it, remove the richness and depth of colours and hues, and create an atomistic, reductionist, fundamentally darkened world view.
I despise ignorance of any sort, and I simply avoid dumbass, weak-minded loser cunts. I do whatever I can to get around people who are striving for more in life, whether they're men, women, white, black, hindu, muslin, Christian, Buddhist - whatever. If we are both trying to win, and are both working hard, maybe we can collaborate together and support each other in being successful. That is the only thing that matters to me.
In this vein, I would accept that the label of 'toxic masculinity' being a good thing in our culture if men were happy, productive, and thriving en masse.
But the thing is, they're not.
Men are falling behind on so many metrics, we are even at the point when so many of us are not getting our most basic, fundamental needs met, and in our culture, things are going to get even more challenging. Rob Henderson and Vincent Hariman have outlined some very interesting, data driven insight on the sexual marketplace which concretises the concept of hypergamy as being a force that will be ever present in our society moving forward with the expanding horizons of the dating market and the female scramble for elite genes gaining momentum that will not slow down in any century to come.
Human beings are tribal creatures and we have a deep need for significance and to feel as if we are part of something. When the culture holds the male in such contempt, and characterises them as a carnal animal incapable of feeling, thought, self-awareness, and how to orient themselves in the world, we are engaged in an exercise of dehumanisation, of Othering.
Furthermore, the concept of toxic masculinity becomes quite sick in light of very real difference between men and women. We are biologically different and different proclivities and ways of being that will always exist, and when ideologies are stripped, the distinct biological differences do manifest as different outcomes. Dr Peterson has done some great consolidation of the research here and of particular interest is the scandanavian phenomenon, where in the most gender balanced countries in the world, differences in outcomes have INTENSIFIED. Men and women are different, and to label these differences as toxic is to me a contemptous and evil act.
Delusions of the human mind will come and go, but objective reality will always persist.
And it is a delusion of the highest order for categorise and dissect the behaviours of the male and attempt to recast them, re-forge them, as through a process of social Darwinism facilitated by resentment-driven, spiteful, vindictive degenerate harpies who seek to besmirch the human male through the development and dissemination of destructive labels.
We as men need to come together, unite with each other, and drive each other towards excellence.
I do my best to do that in my life, and you see me putting this into action here, every day.
Like a lot of feminist theory, dreamed up in the minds of deeply disturbed women with personality disorders (Andrea Dworkin - tell me this person was not sick and sadistic), these concepts serve the theoretician in playing their power games and using language and discourse to forward their group interest at the expense of the Other, and in this case, at the expense of men's health, wellbeing, happiness, and long-term prospects. It is an act of ritualistic sacrifice of the male on the alter of an ideology which seeks to capture power and status for the in group.
To me this is the epitome of Nietzschean Resentement....
The WEAK, the Priestly classes, have to invent an ideology and become those who have authority to espouse this Truth, in order for them to compete with, and dominate the STRONG, the Warrior class.
If you know of a mind that was greater than Nietsche, let me know. Maybe 250lb pink haired androgenous hate-filled pigs in gender studies departments are intellectually superior to a literal 1 in 50 billion genius. But I doubt it.
I would like to remind you that the greatest people who have ever lived in this world were men. When I think masculinity, I think people like Muhammed Ali - the epitome of strength, courage, limitless self belief, and integrity that cut to the bone. When his society held that he and people who looked like him were nothing, he told them "I will show you how great I am". When he was drafted to fight in Vietnam, he could have done 3 months in a comfortable, safe security role, but he knew the consequences that should follow if he allowed the media to celebrate his participation in the war. He knew he was a beacon of hope for so many, and that so many would follow him to the ends of the earth. He refused to comply, to compromise his beliefs and he relinquished the greatest title the modern world has ever known, the title of the Heavyweight Champion of the world at the time when this was a transcendent and almost god-like achievement. Why? He knew if he went to Vietnam, many people who idolised him would follow and lose their lives. So steadfast was he, that he told them they would have to take him to jail. That is a man of conviction, poetry in motion, grace, poise, and unstoppable, relentless character. He is honoured across the world to this day and inspires so many people, men and women alike, because we were able to celebrate greatness and see true human achievement without the pollution of these labels.
When you place labels on groups, you can dehumanise them, you can take away their rights, their lands, and you can distort their perceived value in society, their image, their very perceived substance.
Think about how evil this is. For other groups to tell men how they need to be men is a sickening, psychotic level of narcissism. I am my own man, I will decide who I want to be, and who I want to emulate.
I am not a political animal any more, and don't engage in these discussions. I love Radical's stance on theoretical discussions, there is endless insight in this perspective.
At least now you know where I stand, I wanted to express this, and now I can go back to work.
All the time and energy directed into theory and not action is fruitless. I am not going to talk about politics and stuff again.
You know what MAC thinks on this, and we can not get back to work.
I have started this discussion, and now I will end it: respectfully, there will be no more politics on my log.
MAC
